# What's wrong with autox???

**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [June 2, 2008, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407 "2008-06-02T13:19:07Z")
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### Author: ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/whats-wrong-with-autox/49407/45 "2008-06-02T19:46:26Z")

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> [@JayS](#):
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> How many local events did WNY run in 2004?

We used to have NCCC, BIMP, and if you go back a few more years ECCS, Delphi, UB… Our sites keep dwindling, but we are trying to make the best of what we’ve got.

> [@JayS](#):
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> The hardcore autocrossers always talk about the lack of competition at Dunnville because there is no official timing. That might be the case if there was only one car on the track at a time, but when you’re chasing someone down turn after turn, or watching someone trying to chase you down in your rear view mirror, that’s competition. I don’t need an LCD display showing me thousandths of a second to tell me I was faster than the guy who had to wave me by, or that I was slower than the guy I had to wave by. I know I would specifically wait for certain people I found myself running close with to go out so we could chase each other around.

I agree with Dave on this one. I don’t want lap times so that I can say “I’m going faster than you” - I want lap times so that I can say “I’m doing it right this time.” Someone can sit next to you and tell you that you are doing it right, but that’s subjective. You can feel like you are doing it right, but that’s not always the case. The numbers don’t lie. Plus, the speed doesn’t do anything for me.

> [@JayS](#):
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> As for road tire, I’d like to hear what more FLR people have to say about it. Jim’s comment about “if you’re serious about winning step up and buy the right tires” is definitely the wrong attitude to have when your numbers are dwindling and you’re looking to increase participation.

For me, the only way a Road Tire class is worthwhile is if we restrict it to a higher treadwear tire than ST classes, ie 300+. That way, everyone is on crappy all-seasons or snows, and it would actually be useful, instead of a couple of guys on Azenis and destroying everyone. That is the spirit of a Road Tire class.

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