# Wheelhop **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [September 27, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108 "2003-09-27T13:25:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/1 "2003-09-27T13:25:02Z")
Ok, I searched several forums on this situation and found some info but nothing too detailed. Ok here’s the dilly. This normally occurs in rain. If I’m at a stand-still and take off faster then usual, the rear end will hop. Or if I take off slowly in 1st and then floor it (not literally) the rear will hop. What’s goin on? Are my tires gripping…losing traction…gripping…etc? My tires: Kumho Ectsa 712 Another situation (on dry surface). I’ve tried to corner at high speeds and sometimes I noticed that if I’m accelerating hard enough through the turn, the rear will hop a little. My suspension is totally stock (bushing/spring/shocks,etc.). Comments? ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/2 "2003-09-27T13:28:20Z")
might be ur rear shocks. if so, they are worn out ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/3 "2003-09-27T13:31:26Z")
Well i’m pretty sure my suspension is shot, cuz going over even the smallest of bumps will result in a THUD. Can’t wait to upgrade next year. ---
**Author:** ![AnDrEw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AnDrEw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AnDrEw)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/4 "2003-09-27T13:35:38Z")
> [@Gonad](#): > > Well i’m pretty sure my suspension is shot, cuz going over even the > smallest of bumps will result in a THUD. Can’t wait to upgrade next year. yeah, then most likely its ur rear shocks. Prob blowjn ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/5 "2003-09-27T14:56:18Z")
When I had the mustang, when you mentioned wheel hop to anyone, they would right away recommend getting boxed/aftermarket lower control arms. I dunno if this would apply to the 240, nor do I know if any company makes beefier control arms. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/6 "2003-09-27T15:44:38Z")
Its ur rear subframe bushings. I bought TANABE ones and boy did they make a huge difference. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/7 "2003-09-27T15:46:46Z")
[http://www.tanabe-usa.com/driftspec/crossmemberbushing.asp](http://www.tanabe-usa.com/driftspec/crossmemberbushing.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/8 "2003-09-27T20:28:54Z")
> [@SHIFT\_SR20DET](#): > > Its ur rear subframe bushings. > > I bought TANABE ones and boy did they make a huge difference. Where did you get those Tanabe bushings and how much did they cost? I forget where I read this (maybe Nico) but someone on there said about using washers. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2003, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/9 "2003-09-27T22:30:29Z")
I bought the bushings for 350bux. A but expensive but it was worth replacing the totally shot 325,000km stock ones. Using washers is only good if you use them properly to support your stock bushing. The way they explane it is to actually replace the bushing with washers (or aluminum bushings) which is only good if the car will be just a track car. Aweful aweful idea for the street. I tried it for a week i went apeshit feeling every friggin rock on the road. I liked the rock hard stiffness it gave on the corners but i swear i lost at least 20lbs of nuts and bolts off my car. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_SG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sasha_sg/32/5477_2.png) [@Sasha\_SG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sasha_SG)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2003, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/10 "2003-09-28T04:59:59Z")
> [@SHIFT\_SR20DET](#): > > I bought the bushings for 350bux. > A but expensive but it was worth replacing the totally shot 325,000km stock ones. > Using washers is only good if you use them properly to support your stock bushing. The way they explane it is to actually replace the bushing with washers (or aluminum bushings) which is only good if the car will be just a track car. Aweful aweful idea for the street. I tried it for a week i went apes\*\*t feeling every friggin rock on the road. I liked the rock hard stiffness it gave on the corners but i swear i lost at least 20lbs of nuts and bolts off my car. haha nice, so thats why race cars are so light! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2003, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/11 "2003-09-28T15:31:33Z")
Ok, PDM has this kit: **KCA 349 Rear Nissan Sub-Frame Align and Lock Kit** [http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/suspensionbush.html](http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/suspensionbush.html) It’s $80USD (I would assume at least $115CDN shipped). Should I get these or should I look into something else? My car’s got 141KM on it so maybe I can do with just the PDM bushings. Comments? ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/12 "2003-09-28T15:54:36Z")
Do you know the work involved in changeing those bushings? If you plan to change ANY rear buchings do them all at once and plan a full day to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Gonad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gonad/32/5481_2.png) [@Gonad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gonad)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/13 "2003-09-28T19:18:45Z")
Hrm, guess I’ll wait till I get the rest of my suspension next spring. So this is what I have planned for my bushing upgrade: KCA 349 Rear Nissan Sub-Frame Align and Lock Kit - $80USD Rear Camber Correction Bushings - $85USD Whiteline T/C Rod Bushings - $45USD And the following as part of my suspension: Whiteline Anti-Sway Bars (front/rear): $330USD Shocks/Springs: $700USD Total: $1240USD (~$1700CDN). :shock: I think my stock LCAs and TC rods are fine and don’t need replacing. ---
**Author:** ![Sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@Sven](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sven)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2003, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/14 "2003-09-29T11:46:37Z")
I had the same problem - it was caused by blown rear shocks. Replacing the shocks fixed the problem for the most part but our rear axles are known to be a little jumpy … ---
**Author:** ![prInce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@prInce](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/prInce)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2004, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/15 "2004-09-17T10:33:43Z")
I had the same problem… replaced the shocks, didn’t help. I’ve heard that this hopping problem is quite normal on our 240s. If you say subframe bushings can fix the problem, there’s a guy on eBay selling silvia subframe bushings for $65usd. It says they’re quite easy to install as well. I would just order that and see if it fixes the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Heatw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cdc98d/32.png) [@Heatw](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Heatw)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2004, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wheelhop/80108/16 "2004-09-18T16:41:25Z")
way to reply to a topic a year old