# When did GM corrupt Saab? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [May 24, 2007, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810 "2007-05-24T07:40:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/1 "2007-05-24T07:40:29Z")
What year did Slobs become GM? I.E. would a '99 Saab 9-5 wagon be a big domestic POS? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/2 "2007-05-24T07:42:45Z")
Saab, Porsche prices on parts and labor with none of the pedigree! ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/3 "2007-05-24T07:48:17Z")
yes, it will be a gm. anything with B series engine will be GM ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/4 "2007-05-24T07:54:21Z")
The 2.3 turbo is a “B series” engine? I know nothing about Saabs, other than a 9-5 wagon is nice looking and would be hella useful for me. I’ll probably just keep my Jetta another year, but as time goes on I want/need a wagon more and more. \<–Goes back to looking for Scooby Legacy wagons… ---
**Author:** ![auttiquattro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@auttiquattro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/auttiquattro)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/5 "2007-05-24T08:21:09Z")
The 9-2X is a cross of saab and scooby but cheaper But yeah a straight 9-3 9-5 from the GM Saab is not that great. It seems build quality is getting worse and worse ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/6 "2007-05-24T08:25:04Z")
Oh I’d love a Saabaru, but out of my price range. I’ve got $7k left on my Jetta loan :lolham: and don’t really want to go more than ~$5k further in debt to get a more reliable/useful car. Unfortunately I’m a bit upside down on my Jetta loan otherwise I’d ditch it for what’s left on the loan and haul ass down to Virginia for this: [http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car\_id=221744929&dealer\_id=44113949&car\_year=1998&model=LEGACY&num\_records=25&make2=&start\_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body\_code=128&fuel=&search\_type=both&distance=300&make=SUB&color=&min\_price=&body\_style=WAGON&drive=&default\_sort=priceDESC&max\_mileage=&style\_flag=2&sort\_type=priceDESC&address=14150&advanced=y&end\_year=2008&doors=&transmission=Manual&max\_price=7000&cardist=300](http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221744929&dealer_id=44113949&car_year=1998&model=LEGACY&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=128&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=300&make=SUB&color=&min_price=&body_style=WAGON&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=2&sort_type=priceDESC&address=14150&advanced=y&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=Manual&max_price=7000&cardist=300) ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/7 "2007-05-24T15:13:52Z")
GM only owned 50% of Saab for most of the 1990s. It was towards the end of the decade that GM took full ownership of it. It wasnt until the new 9-3 sports sedan that GM parts really started proliferating the cars though. All of the NG900/OG9-3 engines were designated with a B, but are completely unrelated from honda b-series. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/8 "2007-05-24T15:22:56Z")
Actually, the second generation 900 and the first generation 9-3 were based on the Opel Vectra. ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/9 "2007-05-24T15:30:35Z")
and also the vauxhall cavalier. No relation to the horrible chevy cavalier though. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/10 "2007-05-24T15:32:37Z")
But yz plz for the Saturn L-series. Break me off a piece of that. ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/11 "2007-05-24T19:07:15Z")
the same time that my ion got a saab transmission. ---
**Author:** ![SoloIIscoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/12 "2007-05-24T23:02:25Z")
[quote=“BikerFry”"] What year did Slobs become GM? I.E. would a '99 Saab 9-5 wagon be a big domestic POS? [/quote] Saab actually began using GM platforms in 1990 with the last production year 1989 900s being the last “true saabs” ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/13 "2007-05-25T03:54:33Z")
I guess what I meant was, weren’t they fairly solid cars at one point but then took a sharp downturn in quality? ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/14 "2007-05-25T04:19:35Z")
[quote=“redrum,post:9,topic:29810"”] and also the vauxhall cavalier. No relation to the horrible chevy cavalier though. [/quote] hey… i resemble that remark. a friend has a 9-2 aero or whatever… its the saabaru wagon thing… I dont hate it, but i would never buy it. just suck it up and get the mini van. you will find more uses that you would think. you will be married soon anyway and will no longer need a car hobby 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/15 "2007-05-25T05:53:01Z")
General Motors Corporation bought 50% of Saab Automobile on 15th March 1990 for USD600 million, with an option to acquire the entire company within a decade. In March 2005, it was announced that GM would move the production of the next-generation Saab 9-3 from Trollhättan to the Opel plant in Rüsselsheim, Germany. Current models are the 9-3 and 9-5, both of which are manufactured in Trollhättan, Sweden and the Saab 9-7X SUV, manufactured in Moraine, Ohio. The Saab 9-2X, a rebadged Subaru Impreza and manufactured in Japan, was discontinued after the 2006 model year. The 9-3 shares platforms with the Opel Vectra and the Cadillac BLS. The 9-5 is powered by Saab’s B205 and B235 straight-4 engines, and in Europe by Alfa Romeo’s 1.9 JTD 16V diesel straight-4. A version of the GM 54° V6 powered by a unique asymmetrical low-pressure turbocharger was available from 1999 to 2003. This engine was available only with an automatic transmission, and cars with this engine installed are distinguishable by their twin tailpipes. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/16 "2007-05-25T06:08:04Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:14,topic:29810"”] just suck it up and get the mini van. you will find more uses that you would think. you will be married soon anyway and will no longer need a car hobby 😃 [/quote] Bite me. 😃 Thanks for the info bigron. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/17 "2007-05-25T06:59:32Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:14,topic:29810"”] just suck it up and get the mini van. you will find more uses that you would think. you will be married soon anyway and will no longer need a car hobby 😃 [/quote] Hey, I resemble **that** remark. I got married in 02, just had a kid, and just bought a GTO instead of a minivan. I even got the car seat base in silver to match the accent colors of the GTO’s interior. Car guy for life. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/18 "2007-05-25T07:34:46Z")
Arrgh. Why am I even considering a used Swedish turbo car as a DD? [http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car\_id=222272150&dealer\_id=617615&car\_year=1999&num\_records=&start\_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body\_code=128&search\_type=both&distance=300&first\_record=176&make=&color=&min\_price=&body\_style=WAGON&drive=&default\_sort=priceDESC&max\_mileage=&style\_flag=2&sort\_type=priceDESC&address=14150&advanced=y&end\_year=2008&pager.offset=175&doors=&transmission=Manual&max\_price=13000&cardist=11](http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=222272150&dealer_id=617615&car_year=1999&num_records=&start_year=1981&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=128&search_type=both&distance=300&first_record=176&make=&color=&min_price=&body_style=WAGON&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=2&sort_type=priceDESC&address=14150&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=175&doors=&transmission=Manual&max_price=13000&cardist=11) 1 owner, 76k, $8k, 11 miles away. :ham: ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/19 "2007-05-25T07:36:36Z")
Let me be blunt. If you’re considering a Pre-Full-GM ownership Saab, you are a complete fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2007, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810/20 "2007-05-25T07:41:49Z")
:lol: Yup, thank you. Deep down I know that, but I rarely let judgement play a role in my decision making process. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-did-gm-corrupt-saab/29810.md?page=2)