# When you do a build like mine, you get a lot of question...

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**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\
**Created:** [February 12, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322 "2008-02-12T09:43:23Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/1 "2008-02-12T09:43:23Z")

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But holy shit. I appreciate this guys enthusiasm, but he’s woefully outgunned:

CLIFFS @ post 4

1:26 MidShipCivic: I have the GTR transmission already I want a 4wd car so thats why I’m gonna do. Just like you want Rwd 😉  
11:26 sprocketbash411: what’s that engine out f?  
11:26 sprocketbash411: _of  
11:27 MidShipCivic: 90-93 Infiniti Q45  
11:27 sprocketbash411: so it’s got a front drive dif on the oilpan?  
11:28 MidShipCivic: A certain version of this engine does but I’m not using that to drive the front wheels.  
11:28 sprocketbash411: …  
11:28 MidShipCivic: let me finish  
11:28 sprocketbash411: haha  
11:28 sprocketbash411: i am.  
11:28 sprocketbash411: 🙂  
11:28 MidShipCivic: I’m gonna move the engine 9.5’’ behind front center and use an R200  
11:29 MidShipCivic: because that front differential mess is a pain for the oil pan  
11:29 MidShipCivic: I know people who have that special ‘’ cima 4wd engine ‘’  
11:29 MidShipCivic: it’s really rare  
11:29 MidShipCivic: and not worth the trouble  
11:29 MidShipCivic: they took picture for me  
11:30 MidShipCivic: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/Vh45DE/DSCF1481.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/Vh45DE/DSCF1481.jpg)  
11:30 sprocketbash411: are you going to make your own oilpan?  
11:30 sprocketbash411: i can’t imagine that the engine is short enough to move it that far behind the xmember.  
11:31 MidShipCivic: According to me ( w/o any technical drawings yet) moving the engine 9.5’’ ( roughly half the length)  
11:31 MidShipCivic: I’ll be able to run two CV axles in front of it  
11:31 MidShipCivic: w/ an intermediate shaft  
11:32 sprocketbash411: are you going to use fwd suspension?  
11:32 sprocketbash411: from a sentra or max/alt or something?  
11:33 MidShipCivic: I haven’t examined the S13’s front wheel assemblies but I think it can be machined  
11:33 MidShipCivic: for me to do something about that  
11:33 sprocketbash411: eh, not really  
11:33 sprocketbash411: you’re better off using fwd nissan stuff  
11:33 sprocketbash411: all the cars i mentioned are mcpherson  
11:33 sprocketbash411: so that’s your best bet  
11:34 MidShipCivic: yeah of course  
11:34 sprocketbash411: the gtr is double wish  
11:34 MidShipCivic: that wasnt the only thing I thought about  
11:34 MidShipCivic: completely removing the front end of the car and starting with a short/long arm suspension  
11:34 MidShipCivic: the GTR read’s VSS off it’s front wheel knuckles  
11:35 MidShipCivic: I dont wanna go through the trouble of finding that  
11:35 MidShipCivic: but the rear diff has VSS so thats my other reason for using it up front  
11:35 sprocketbash411: that is incorrect  
11:35 sprocketbash411: there is a speed sensor on the side of the GTR trans  
11:36 sprocketbash411: but r32 is cable  
11:36 sprocketbash411: but you should be able to swap a sender form a KA in  
11:36 sprocketbash411: but your thinking too far in to it  
11:36 sprocketbash411: you’re  
11:36 MidShipCivic: that is true I looked at the ETS diagram  
11:36 sprocketbash411: yeah, that’s for the atessa and shit  
11:36 sprocketbash411: and abs  
11:36 MidShipCivic: so I need it  
11:37 sprocketbash411: nah  
11:37 sprocketbash411: don’t complicate it  
11:37 MidShipCivic: it will operate with out it you’re saying?  
11:37 sprocketbash411: by trying to use the atessa  
11:37 sprocketbash411: you will kill yourself  
11:37 sprocketbash411: you will need an entire skyline, essentially  
11:37 sprocketbash411: the atessa computer is in the trunk  
11:38 MidShipCivic: how do you understand it so much?  
11:38 sprocketbash411: what do you mean  
11:38 sprocketbash411: i read the whole service manual, essentially  
11:38 sprocketbash411: i was thinking about making it AWD when i built my 240  
11:38 MidShipCivic: so did I  
11:38 sprocketbash411: also  
11:39 sprocketbash411: the hydraulic pump for the center dif is mounted on the rear pumpkin of the GTR  
11:39 MidShipCivic: I know about all that  
11:39 MidShipCivic: but the whole skyline needing thing ?  
11:39 MidShipCivic: ehh ?  
11:39 sprocketbash411: don’t bother with the atessa, at least not yet  
11:39 MidShipCivic: I have to understand it now  
11:39 sprocketbash411: if you don’t hook anything up to it  
11:39 MidShipCivic: I’ve been comtemplating about this for a year now  
11:39 sprocketbash411: it will lock the center diff at 50-50  
11:40 MidShipCivic: that defeats the purpose of what it is though  
11:40 MidShipCivic: I want it operational  
11:40 sprocketbash411: well, good luck man.  
11:40 sprocketbash411: seriously  
11:40 sprocketbash411: that’s a HUGE endeavour  
11:41 MidShipCivic: what because of the electronics?  
11:41 sprocketbash411: you can buy a whole gtr subframe  
11:42 sprocketbash411: and use that pumpkin  
11:42 sprocketbash411: then you will need to source the atessa computer  
11:42 sprocketbash411: and buy a harness, or make your own  
11:42 sprocketbash411: you can get abs knuckles from a later 240 for the rear  
11:42 sprocketbash411: hi  
11:43 sprocketbash411: -hi  
11:43 sprocketbash411: srry  
11:43 MidShipCivic: lol  
11:43 sprocketbash411: for the front if you use maxima knuckles  
11:43 sprocketbash411: you can get the VSS there  
11:43 sprocketbash411: but seriously  
11:43 sprocketbash411: why bother?  
11:43 sprocketbash411: lock it at 50/50  
11:44 sprocketbash411: if you’re really ambitious you can rig an incar adjuster that modulates pressure from the PS pump  
11:44 sprocketbash411: because that’s how the atessa does it  
11:45 MidShipCivic: why bother ?  
11:45 MidShipCivic: It’s what I want it’s not what the car is soley based on  
11:45 MidShipCivic: driving 4 wheels  
11:45 MidShipCivic: it has to be just as smart  
11:45 MidShipCivic: or I have nother better than my eagle talon tsi  
11:46 MidShipCivic: I know the gtr has aftermarket ets controllers  
11:46 sprocketbash411: yeah, but you still need all of the hardware  
11:46 MidShipCivic: yeah [www.skylineowners.com](http://www.skylineowners.com)  
11:46 MidShipCivic: lots of parts outs  
11:46 MidShipCivic: from those forums  
11:46 MidShipCivic: I’ve looked that over  
11:46 sprocketbash411: i’m not saying it’s not possible  
11:47 sprocketbash411: but i don’t think you fully grasp the logistics of what you’re trying to do.  
11:48 MidShipCivic: I haven’t completed planning  
11:48 MidShipCivic: but I want the system to work in the car and I know it can be retrofitted I can get the parts  
11:49 MidShipCivic: well I just have questions on your practices that’s all  
11:51 sprocketbash411: ok, i won’t try and talk you out of it, but it’s NOT an easy task…  
11:51 sprocketbash411: i don’t know if i would attempt it. and this is the ind of shit i excell at.  
11:52 sprocketbash411: the payoff is not worth the hassle.  
11:52 sprocketbash411: you will def need an atessa controller  
11:52 MidShipCivic: but It’s the reason I got this car  
11:52 sprocketbash411: because the balance of the car is goig to be nothing like the gtr  
11:52 sprocketbash411: you are going to have to spend HOURS on the skidpad just tuning your atessa  
11:53 MidShipCivic: I know that  
11:53 sprocketbash411: and that’s assuming you can even get a user programable atessa computer  
11:53 sprocketbash411: chances are they are just chipped  
11:53 sprocketbash411: also  
11:53 MidShipCivic: whoa  
11:53 sprocketbash411: you need to get the G sensors as well  
11:53 MidShipCivic: there are ETS controlles like piggy backs  
11:54 MidShipCivic: BEER replaces it entirely  
11:54 MidShipCivic: I know about the G sensors by the hand brake  
11:54 MidShipCivic: [http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/?action=view&current=ETSATTESSAsytem.gif](http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/?action=view&current=ETSATTESSAsytem.gif)  
11:54 sprocketbash411: yeah  
11:54 MidShipCivic: I’ve gone over that  
11:54 sprocketbash411: how old are you?  
11:54 MidShipCivic: I’m not as old as you  
11:54 sprocketbash411: and how much money do you have for this?  
11:54 MidShipCivic: I’m a 22 years old  
11:55 MidShipCivic: Are you doubting me ?  
11:55 sprocketbash411: not entirely  
11:55 sprocketbash411: but i have seen a lot of failed projects  
11:56 sprocketbash411: that people don’t realize what they are getting in to.  
11:56 MidShipCivic: uh huh  
11:57 MidShipCivic: Like you’ve bought that 3 series  
11:57 sprocketbash411: what do you mean?  
11:57 MidShipCivic: I bought a 240  
11:57 MidShipCivic: I never owned one before  
11:58 MidShipCivic: but I bought it just for that engine drive line combo  
11:58 sprocketbash411: sure, the chassis of the car makes no difference  
11:58 MidShipCivic: I’ve considered almost everything thought it may sound impractical  
11:59 MidShipCivic: it’s going to happen  
11:59 sprocketbash411: if i were in your shoes, here is the plan of attack i would take  
11:59 MidShipCivic: though_  
11:59 sprocketbash411: get the engine in the car with the gtr xmission  
11:59 MidShipCivic: right  
11:59 sprocketbash411: and get it running in a rear drive configuration  
11:59 sprocketbash411: then add your front dif  
12:00 MidShipCivic: wait  
12:00 MidShipCivic: sto  
12:00 MidShipCivic: p  
12:00 MidShipCivic: whats the reasoning for that  
12:00 sprocketbash411: haha  
12:00 sprocketbash411: because this is the kind of thing you’re going to need to do in steps.  
12:00 sprocketbash411: or not  
12:00 MidShipCivic: okay  
12:00 sprocketbash411: try getting it running AWD  
12:00 sprocketbash411: no atessa  
12:00 MidShipCivic: oh I see  
12:00 sprocketbash411: how well can you weld?  
12:01 sprocketbash411: because you are going to need to build a front xmember  
12:01 MidShipCivic: I have a Miller dynasty 200dx  
12:01 sprocketbash411: you are going to have to build new front frame rails  
12:02 MidShipCivic: but I’m still practing and I’m going to invest in a JD2 bender soon  
12:02 sprocketbash411: you are going to need to build a dif mount  
12:02 sprocketbash411: does the RB bellhousing bolt to the block?  
12:03 MidShipCivic: Negative several people have used aluminum metal stock and adapted it  
12:03 MidShipCivic: the 300zx flywheel bolts on  
12:03 MidShipCivic: to the back of that crank  
12:04 MidShipCivic: and since it shares the same spline it’s good to go for that part  
12:04 MidShipCivic: for 300zx clutches vs GTR tranny  
12:05 sprocketbash411: but that makes the bellhousing longer  
12:05 sprocketbash411: you’re going to need to machine the bellhousing down  
12:05 MidShipCivic: yeah they milled it as well  
12:06 sprocketbash411: a bellhousing adaprter is not all that hard.  
12:06 MidShipCivic: mmmhmm  
12:06 sprocketbash411: but do you have access to a mill?  
12:06 sprocketbash411: it doesn’t need to be CNC’d you can do it on a bridgeport  
12:06 MidShipCivic: I might have some questions about drafting since I’m taking that class  
12:06 MidShipCivic: I have several shops in my area  
12:06 sprocketbash411: are you going to pay someone to do it?  
12:07 MidShipCivic: so I won’t be doing anymachining  
12:07 sprocketbash411: i see.  
12:07 sprocketbash411: i hope you legitimately have 15k to dump on this  
12:07 MidShipCivic: lmao  
12:08 MidShipCivic: Have you weighed that RB engine ?  
12:08 MidShipCivic: heres what I got when I weighed the VH45DE

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> [12:00] sprocketbash411: how well can you weld?  
> [12:01] sprocketbash411: because you are going to need to build a front xmember  
> [12:01] MidShipCivic: I have a Miller dynasty 200dx

OIC 😛

Sounds like he’s just looking for answers. Seems like he’s done _some_ homework :gotme:

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**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/3 "2008-02-12T09:53:03Z")

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12:08 MidShipCivic: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/Vh45DE/VH45DEweight.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/Vh45DE/VH45DEweight.jpg)  
12:09 MidShipCivic: are you familiar with Susprog 3d?  
12:10 MidShipCivic: I practice using it but as for now I cannot determine any control arm lengths or mounting points yet  
12:10 sprocketbash411: i have not weighed it  
12:10 MidShipCivic: I don’t know where to start but I know my suspension kinematics a bit so alot of trial and error will occur  
12:10 MidShipCivic: I expected that  
12:10 sprocketbash411: i have not used that program  
12:11 sprocketbash411: i have never ventured outside of stockish suspension geometry  
12:12 MidShipCivic: I can’t see me doing all of this and not going double wishbone  
12:13 MidShipCivic: So logistics as you say ( dont use that word so much :-P)  
12:13 sprocketbash411: why don’t you just build it from scratch  
12:13 sprocketbash411: it will probably be easier  
12:13 MidShipCivic: I was thinking about drilling out spot welds and removing the front end  
12:14 MidShipCivic: ^ had that in mind  
12:14 MidShipCivic: um  
12:14 MidShipCivic: your driveshaft alignment with the laser leveler  
12:15 sprocketbash411: yeah…  
12:16 MidShipCivic: how long did it take you to get it perfect ?  
12:17 MidShipCivic: did you even use the leveling part ?  
12:17 MidShipCivic: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Picture.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Picture.jpg)  
12:17 MidShipCivic: I was going to place this in the flat part of my valley to get something worked out  
12:17 MidShipCivic: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Picture174.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Picture174.jpg)  
12:17 sprocketbash411: the level part doesn’t matter  
12:18 sprocketbash411: just the direction  
12:18 sprocketbash411: also, go off of the rear of the crank  
12:18 MidShipCivic: I see  
12:19 sprocketbash411: you do not know that that flat part is constrained to the driveline  
12:19 MidShipCivic: I was going to do that as well  
12:20 MidShipCivic: I’ve asked many people  
12:20 MidShipCivic: [http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2214941](http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2214941)  
12:20 MidShipCivic: but  
12:20 MidShipCivic: seeing someone in action like you  
12:20 MidShipCivic: I had to ask  
12:21 MidShipCivic: seems honda-tech is down  
12:21 MidShipCivic: but there is a big fabrication section  
12:21 sprocketbash411: well  
12:22 sprocketbash411: the component of gravity at 9.81COS(theta) will be far outwighed by forces exerted on the engine during braking, cornering and accelerating  
12:23 MidShipCivic: This is in reference to the drive shaft?  
12:23 sprocketbash411: no  
12:23 sprocketbash411: your oil question  
12:23 MidShipCivic: oh you can see it  
12:23 sprocketbash411: yes  
12:23 MidShipCivic: for some reason I cant  
12:25 sprocketbash411: well, no offense, but it’s questions like that that make weary about your ability to handle this  
12:25 MidShipCivic: I don’t do things like this for a living  
12:25 MidShipCivic: it’s just something I’m gonna try  
12:26 MidShipCivic: its not simple  
12:26 MidShipCivic: but I’m doing everything I can to know  
12:26 sprocketbash411: well, i think you might be running before you’re walking  
12:26 MidShipCivic: I’m trying not to be ignorant about it either  
12:26 sprocketbash411: sure.  
12:26 sprocketbash411: but what’s your background  
12:27 sprocketbash411: what you intend to do is far more difficult than what i am doing  
12:27 sprocketbash411: and i have an extensive background in stuff like this  
12:28 MidShipCivic: I’m an automotive student graduate and I’m currently in a local college  
12:28 MidShipCivic: all my life I’ve thought about things like this  
12:28 MidShipCivic: I’m just giving it a shot  
12:29 MidShipCivic: I’ve had tons of ppl trying to tell me I can try things like this  
12:29 MidShipCivic: every starts somewhere  
12:29 MidShipCivic: one\*  
12:29 sprocketbash411: i think you should be less concerned about details like getting the atessa  
12:29 MidShipCivic: well I keep it in mind  
12:29 sprocketbash411: and get the car driving  
12:29 MidShipCivic: if it’s brought up  
12:29 MidShipCivic: at first I thought you meant  
12:29 MidShipCivic: you know  
12:29 MidShipCivic: ‘’ if I wanted 4wd ‘’  
12:29 MidShipCivic: just for it  
12:30 sprocketbash411: well, i really don’t see you getting a diff in FRONT of the engine  
12:31 MidShipCivic: moving the engine 9.5’’ rear ward from shock tower centerline  
12:31 MidShipCivic: it will fit  
12:31 sprocketbash411: are you going to cut out the firewall?  
12:31 MidShipCivic: of course  
12:31 MidShipCivic: engine length is 19’’  
12:31 MidShipCivic: it would be a front midship now  
12:32 sprocketbash411: just build your own chassis.  
12:32 sprocketbash411: that will be easier  
12:32 sprocketbash411: build a tubeframe and drop 240 bodywork over it  
12:33 sprocketbash411: that will be far easier than what you are trying to do  
12:34 MidShipCivic: if thats what you call it the door frames I was going to keep  
12:34 MidShipCivic: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Chassis%20work/s1bilder20-11-07008.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Chassis%20work/s1bilder20-11-07008.jpg)  
12:35 MidShipCivic: the two frame rails running in the center I was going to remove  
12:36 MidShipCivic: I just dont see the S13 frame as stiff  
12:36 MidShipCivic: especially mines  
12:36 MidShipCivic: from 89  
12:36 sprocketbash411: is that an audi motor?  
12:36 MidShipCivic: for this combo  
12:36 MidShipCivic: yes  
12:36 sprocketbash411: in what?  
12:37 MidShipCivic: I forgot what it’s called it was one of this group b rally cars  
12:37 MidShipCivic: those\*  
12:37 sprocketbash411: ah  
12:37 MidShipCivic: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Chassis%20work/s1bilder141207002.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/C-Zero/FMS13/Chassis%20work/s1bilder141207002.jpg)  
12:38 sprocketbash411: that’s hot  
12:40 MidShipCivic: it was on a porshe forum some guy was putting a 5 cylinder motor in a 944 with mk3 supra r154 transmission  
12:41 MidShipCivic: and that was linked  
12:42 MidShipCivic: so am I still sounding impractical?

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cliffs: guy’s trying to do his first real build. this involves:

mating a q45 engine to an rb26 trans and putting it MID-ENGINED in a 240sx, converting the front to dual wishbone suspension, cutting out the firewall and moving the engine back far enough to run a r200 dif in front of the engine for an awd setup, converting the whole car to use the GTR atessa system inc. the dif pump, g sensors, wheel sensors, atessa ECU. Then custom tuning the atessa computer on a skidpad to work with his setup, and tube framing the car.

He just needs to learn how to weld and use cad, and once he figures out if it’s bad to mount an engine on a slight angle.

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**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/5 "2008-02-12T10:04:04Z")

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thanks for the cliffs

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he also just asked why the output shaft on the trans doesn’t spin as much as the input shaft when he turns it by hand.

he also asked me where i got the cardboard template to make my transmission tunnel:

 ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ctnewman2/DSC01515.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ctnewman2/DSC01515.jpg)

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um WOW

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**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/8 "2008-02-12T10:08:18Z")

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what a fucking moron.

:picard:

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**Author:** ![93dx\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90ced4/32.png) [@93dx\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93dx_hatch)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/9 "2008-02-12T10:10:37Z")

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LOl

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**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/10 "2008-02-12T10:11:25Z")

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lol@ where you got the cardboard hahaha wow

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**Author:** ![MXS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mxs/32/7507_2.png) [@MXS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MXS)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/11 "2008-02-12T10:11:40Z")

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> [@newman](#):
>
> he also just asked why the output shaft on the trans doesn’t spin as much as the input shaft when he turns it by hand.

oh my :smash2:

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**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/12 "2008-02-12T10:14:27Z")

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dreamer.

AWD 240sx already been done. Geoff at Full-Race did it. It was a feat of engineering but that is about it. This kids idea’s are fucking retarded.

this kid is all over the place… i was going to go into more detail but deleted all that when i remembered it doesnt matter because he wont even start the project.

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**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/13 "2008-02-12T10:14:53Z")

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I wish I had this kind of money at 22 years old.

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**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/14 "2008-02-12T10:16:59Z")

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> [@bing](#):
>
> dreamer.
> 
> AWD 240sx already been done. Geoff at Full-Race did it. It was a feat of engineering but that is about it. This kids idea’s are fucking retarded.
> 
> this kid is all over the place… i was going to go into more detail but deleted all that when i remembered it doesnt matter because he wont even start the project.

haha  
well he showed me this picture:

seems like a good start :bloated:

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**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/15 "2008-02-12T10:19:36Z")

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Yeah, I always like lifting heavy items with lots of sharp edges with some random rope I had laying around the garage. :bloated:

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**Author:** ![MaximaSE98](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maximase98/32/7600_2.png) [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/16 "2008-02-12T10:23:26Z")

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i think Newman is on the right track with telling him get the car running and worry about AWD later…or not at all

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**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/17 "2008-02-12T10:29:15Z")

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lol.

[13:18] MidShipCivic: brb going to pick up some supplies

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**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/18 "2008-02-12T10:29:55Z")

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Just set it in place and start welding. We don’t need no stinking engine mounts!

Dude you’re way more patient than I am.

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**Author:** ![cky89](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cky89/32/4945_2.png) [@cky89](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cky89)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/19 "2008-02-12T10:30:14Z")

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LOL at this whole thing.  
I feel bad for this kid.

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**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/when-you-do-a-build-like-mine-you-get-a-lot-of-question/43322/20 "2008-02-12T10:31:20Z")

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As long as you make sure it’s expensive enough to keep tension on the rope.

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