# who here doesnt have powersteering? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [June 30, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899 "2009-06-30T19:42:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/21 "2009-07-01T07:52:48Z")
> [@harvboi05](#): > > the sohc 97 neon i have has no power steering and its a pain in the ass. > > its 2370lbs with stock RT wheels and tires. its way harder to turn than my crx was with similarly sized tires. it has a PS rack looped and the rest of system was removed. From what I remember, it’s much easier to turn if you simply cut the lines instead of looping them. Chris Barton did a lot of research on removing power steering and came to that conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![somedude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/22 "2009-07-01T09:57:00Z")
I drove my SHO for a few months without powersteering. It hurt my back so I eventually repaired it because it was impossible to corner hard without PS in that pig (see track day vids from last year). ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/23 "2009-07-01T10:02:05Z")
I don’t have it in my E30, but I do in the E36… I wouldn’t want a car without power steering for my daily. ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/24 "2009-07-01T18:21:42Z")
makes me feel better bout not having it =) ---
**Author:** ![mindless](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mindless/32/7286_2.png) [@mindless](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mindless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/25 "2009-07-01T18:48:42Z")
None here fine on the street sucks on the slicks trying to turn them shits. ---
**Author:** ![nelstoys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/48db29/32.png) [@nelstoys](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nelstoys)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/26 "2009-07-01T22:12:08Z")
> [@Pauly](#): > > I am powersteeringless ditto on the nova for me. It sux! ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/27 "2009-07-01T22:37:04Z")
> [@brent\_strong](#): > > From what I remember, it’s much easier to turn if you simply cut the lines instead of looping them. Chris Barton did a lot of research on removing power steering and came to that conclusion. if you just cut the lines you will ruin your rack, it runs dry that’s the only purpose of looping the system ---
**Author:** ![btlrkt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@btlrkt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/btlrkt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/28 "2009-07-02T00:52:18Z")
Always had power steering, probably always will. ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/29 "2009-07-02T02:05:23Z")
> [@deebo](#): > > if you just cut the lines you will ruin your rack, it runs dry > that’s the only purpose of looping the system Apparently the Neon rack doesn’t need the lubrication from the PS fluid, from what I remember. I want to say that it was sealed off separately, but it’s been a long time since I did the reading. I understand why people normally loop the lines, but I was trying to help out the OP with a bit of car-specific advice… ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/30 "2009-07-02T08:32:37Z")
you need a little fluid in there on a neon but not so much that it is still forcing it through the valves and making it hard to turn. if i didnt loop the lines, id at least connect hoses to them and route them up higher up in the engine bay so you dont fill the rack with water. clamp some small filters to the ends of them. my metro doesnt have power steering. there is no issue turning it from a dead stop but it was designed that way. Brian ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/31 "2009-07-02T08:46:44Z")
It was Chris Barnett…not Barton. Here’s his analysis. > [@Chris Barnett"](#): > > The one rack I took apart showed that the PS fluid wasn’t lubricating anything. Hence why I didn’t loop my lines, I just removed them, along with the fluid. It’s been at least 35k miles since I did that, no problems whatsoever. Most people loop it and keep as much fluid in it as possible, but I didn’t, and I haven’t had any problems. Even if it was to develop a problem later on, oh well. Racks are $10 at the junkyard, less than $100 new. For $10, this rack has lasted well over a year. I think I can spring $10 every few years if needed. It’s easier with zero fluid, and road feel is better. Ask anyone who has driven the army neon. > > I have nothing covering the holes. Dirt, mud, grease, whatever can get into them. Never once had a problem. As far as I can tell, the rack is basically converted to a manual rack without the fluid. The PS fluid didn’t lubricate anything on the rack I dissassembled from my 96. I replaced it with a 97 rack purely so I wouldn’t have rusty tie rods, since my 96 had quite a bit of rust. ---
**Author:** ![95dime](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/95dime/32/7514_2.png) [@95dime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95dime)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/32 "2009-07-02T18:22:38Z")
i first ran a ps gearbox in my s10 without the pump just looped the lines…it was a bear to park and turn around and whatnot…i also had put a smaller steering wheel on. i switched to a manual gearbox and it is great. i prefer no powersteering unless its a daily driver. ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/33 "2009-07-04T14:53:13Z")
Don’t have it on the Corolla. Steering is a tad heavy with the wider tires. But overall not an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Type\_RA-R](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/type_ra-r/32/5244_2.png) [@Type\_RA-R](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Type_RA-R)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/34 "2009-07-05T00:21:48Z")
Hey Mike, i dont have PS on mine ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/35 "2009-07-06T07:18:20Z")
No PS on my '68. It can be a major PITA in crowded low-speed areas, but on the road it’s nice. ---
**Author:** ![ezfd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ezfd/32/7334_2.png) [@ezfd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ezfd)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899/36 "2009-07-06T07:21:05Z")
No PS in the FD. I removed it 2 years ago and haven’t missed it a bit. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-here-doesnt-have-powersteering/69899.md?page=1)