# why is everyone selling their ka-t **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [December 5, 2007, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619 "2007-12-05T13:26:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/41 "2007-12-06T14:50:30Z")
well personally owning both i would say ka-t is alot better but thats my preference I kept the sr20 stock except for a blitz blowoff valve full 3" turbo back exhaust and fmic. It was pretty quick i guess. After that i got the ka-t it was a basic setup with many sr20 parts. Bings bottom mount, t25, 3" turbo back, fmic ect ect Both at 7psi. Hands down the ka-t killed the sr20 in performance and responsiveness (which was wierd) both were fun i just enjoy’d the torque and hp of the ka-t more. It would pick up alot quicker then the sr and when not in boost get the same mpg as a ka roughly but the sr got way better gas milage overall. Depends on what you want. and yes ka-t is alot cheaper overall then a sr if you go with a basic set up. You could go ka-t for around $600 if you wanted to cheap out with no tuning and have it run right theres a couple of guys on [ka-t.org](http://ka-t.org) who have been runing there cars with no tune (i would run one tho) at all for about 2 years no problem you just have to know what parts to use. If i was to do it all over again i would go ka-t and probably will. The sr20det was a good motor overall. ---
**Author:** ![Multisynclg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/multisynclg/32/5328_2.png) [@Multisynclg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Multisynclg)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/42 "2007-12-06T14:55:56Z")
> [@05OrangeSS vs Samsara](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/05orangess-vs-samsara/14999/107): > > well personally owning both i would say ka-t is alot better but thats my preference > I kept the sr20 stock except for a blitz blowoff valve full 3" turbo back exhaust and fmic. It was pretty quick i guess. > After that i got the ka-t it was a basic setup with many sr20 parts. Bings bottom mount, t25, 3" turbo back, fmic ect ect > Both at 7psi. > Hands down the ka-t killed the sr20 in performance and responsiveness (which was wierd) both were fun i just enjoy’d the torque and hp of the ka-t more. It would pick up alot quicker then the sr and when not in boost get the same mpg as a ka roughly but the sr got way better gas milage overall. Depends on what you want. and yes ka-t is alot cheaper overall then a sr if you go with a basic set up. You could go ka-t for around $600 if you wanted to cheap out with no tuning and have it run right theres a couple of guys on [ka-t.org](http://ka-t.org) who have been runing there cars with no tune (i would run one tho) at all for about 2 years no problem you just have to know what parts to use. If i was to do it all over again i would go ka-t and probably will. The sr20det was a good motor overall. sorry to shit talk i just have to say this why would you use a 10 cent DIME’s as a FUSE’s , and not replace it how many cars have you set on fire? hahah jokes, im just curious why you didnt replace the dime once you got home ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/43 "2007-12-06T14:59:47Z")
what wtf are you talking about pm me. ---
**Author:** ![Hurricane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Hurricane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hurricane)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/44 "2007-12-06T15:01:22Z")
And the relavence to this thread is…? Exactly… > [@Four teens in lockport gang rape a disabled girl](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/four-teens-in-lockport-gang-rape-a-disabled-girl/15144/10): > > sorry to shit talk > i just have to say this > > why would you use a 10 cent DIME’s as a FUSE’s , > and not replace it > how many cars have you set on fire? > hahah jokes, > im just curious why you didnt replace the dime once you got home ---
**Author:** ![face](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/face/32/5504_2.png) [@face](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/face)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/45 "2007-12-06T15:10:53Z")
> [@\*\*\*Official Free whatever sites\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-free-whatever-sites/15133/71): > > Come on out to a few track days (lapping anyways) and take a look around during the 9th hour of the event. Generally 90% of the KAT guys are standing around with there hoods up trying to get a few more laps out of the car or have already left. While the SR guys are still buzzing around the track. > > Don’t beleive me? Come out to a track day and spectate. > > I personally run a GT30 on an SR and I spend very little time on the side lines… other then the last even where I lost a PS belt, hardly the fault of the engine. Yes, that is a KA-T. BUT Both times I broke down at the track were hardly the fault of the engine as well, first was exhaust breaking, second was bolt fell out. Probably something to do with my solid mounts, and the fact that I need a better locking washer solution. What about SRs on the sideline? I seem to recall someone blew his SR at the track… :D. All the KAs I’ve blown up were on the street :p. ---
**Author:** ![roast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/roast/32/5498_2.png) [@roast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/roast)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/46 "2007-12-06T15:17:23Z")
My stock KA is rock solid and it NEVER breaks down. If I wasn’t buying another car i’d love to turbo my coupe… anyone want to donate a bottom mount manifold? ---
**Author:** ![Theo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Theo23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Theo23)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/47 "2007-12-06T15:33:25Z")
One of the greatest benifits with going the KA-T route over the sr route is the fact that with the same turbo and general set-up, your power band will hit about 2500rpm SOONER in the KA vs the sr. If I were going for big numbers, it wouldn’t be either of these motors, but you would have to do pretty much the same modifications to both for 450+ hp. As Varun said, if it’s street fun your looking for, there is no choice, KA is waaay more fun. When I built my system, I went big on the expensive parts and cheapened out on the parts that could easily be upgraded just to get the system done. Last years set-up was this: KA24DE (170’000km and very very healthy) Stock MAF Bings SS manifold and elbow All OEM Nissan mani/turbo gaskets and nut locking tabs Garret GT2871R .64ar turbo Japanese 3" steel down pipe that I modified for KA use. Bings FMIC pipes, couplers and T-bolt clamps American made FMIC (small=full rebar) Walbro fuel pump sr 370cc injectors and an AFC Neo for control. This set up gave me 230hp and 270lbs at the wheels. with a 30%loss through the drive train, at the crank thats 300hp and 350lbs of torque. I honestly didn’t feel confident in the AFC tune. It does not tune for load and timing is an issue as well, that is why I wasn’t drifting in full effect this summer. This winter a bunch of parts will be replaced: Neo will be replaced with an Enthalpy tune 370cc injectors will be replaced with Nismo 550’s Maf will be replaced with an N62 Bings elbow will be replaced, not sure with what yet. Thats it, she will be conservative and reliable then. I will be out beating the poop out of her next year. ---
**Author:** ![Theo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Theo23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Theo23)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/48 "2007-12-06T15:34:52Z")
Oh yeah, and my AC still works 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lucas180](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lucas180/32/5556_2.png) [@Lucas180](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Lucas180)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/49 "2007-12-06T18:30:05Z")
With all the talk about SR vs ka i have a question…what is it about the rocker arm in the SR being so bad ive heard from a few people …Sr is bad for this?? from what you guys are saying and…what ive looked up …sr still seems best for me rreliable turbo performance sincei use the car…summer car,track days\ **Author:** ![EviltoM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/97f17d/32.png) [@EviltoM](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EviltoM)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/50 "2007-12-06T18:58:43Z") The only reason I sold off my KA-T parts was becuase I wanted something that will spool a 102mm turbo. So I chose something with 6 cylinders to compensate for the lag. KA-T is still FTW and I would do it again for a street car but Im building a 40% street 60% drag car that will be driven on the streets for some weekend fun, not as a daily. My KA-T saw up to 28psi on pump gas and meth until I my boost controller screwed me and the stock cast #1 piston gave up at 26psi. If tuned right those motors will last a long time. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/51 "2007-12-06T19:09:19Z")
hazhaha my rocker arms went “BLAT” on me late this summer. this can go on all day long. There is no such thing as a best in cars, there is no best anything because it all depends on budjet, talet, driving skill and just personal opinnion. ---
**Author:** ![FUNGC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fungc/32/5539_2.png) [@FUNGC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FUNGC)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/52 "2007-12-06T19:33:00Z")
> [@Thank you all.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/thank-you-all/15092/24): > > hazhaha my rocker arms went “BLAT” on me late this summer. > > this can go on all day long. There is no such thing as a best in cars, there is no best anything because it all depends on budjet, talet, driving skill and just personal opinnion. agreed. another thing i want to add is that alot of KA-T’s werent fully tuned properly. most just slap on a afc and tune it from there. imo that is not enough if want reliability. better the tune = better performance and reliability. this is the thing i stress the most for building a KA-T or any turboed car. i have installed/built both SR and KA-T. and i would pick a KA-T. if you know how to use basic tools its not any harder to install than an SR. ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/53 "2007-12-06T19:47:17Z")
imo, it all comes down to what you are using the motor for. drift, grip, street rippage, and whatever else it may be ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/54 "2007-12-06T19:51:58Z")
I drive like Grandma, does that count?? but I will have an 8star insurance raiting soon 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![draggone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@draggone](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/draggone)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/55 "2007-12-06T20:31:58Z")
> [@NYSpeed Polo, Tees, & Hoodies (Updated 10/10/2011 with POLL)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-polo-tees-hoodies-updated-10-10-2011-with-poll/3747/40): > > Yeah, you also forgot that this isn’t a video game. Installation of the pistons will cost money, and a good tune, JWF will cost money too. In the end, it will cost more for for that ka-t setup. > > You are forgetting that the main reason why people here go ka-t is because it’s “cheaper”. > > Do you really think they are going to go out and buy pistons and get a proper tune? LOL OK KA-T BUILD FROM Team Draggone Half built KA-t includes: ARP everything!!( rod bolts, head bolts and main bolts) Aerias pistons on stock rods (rods good for 450, 500hp on good tune) Metal head gaskets and all the other gaskets. Engine pickup and drop off $2000.00 This price was when the Canadian dollar was lower than the usa. So it will be little lower than $2000.00 Everything else you can get off ebay and other performance site for your KA-T. JWF ecu cost $550 to $600. There are other ecu’s that are cheaper like [http://www.efispecialist.com/](http://www.efispecialist.com/) $305 ( they have it for the SR20 too) Parts for the KA are getting cheaper, you can get a piston and rod combo for $730.00 cad, ARP and head gaskets $207.cad $2000.00 ish you will have a new KA to boost on. $1500 to $2000 ish for a used SR20 with so call low mileage!!! Fobwall I will be coming out to your next event with my KA-T ---
**Author:** ![nwmrkt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/aca169/32.png) [@nwmrkt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nwmrkt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/56 "2007-12-06T20:36:56Z")
> [@YES!!!! Chappelle is coming back to.....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yes-chappelle-is-coming-back-to/15134/7): > > explain to me how a KA-t setup is cheaper than the SR? > Sr redtop motor sets sell for $1500 complete > > for a Basic T25 KA-t u will spend around $1500 - $2000 > > Price wise its more of less the same. > > btw - ka-t is less work than the SR um where do you find this “complete” redtop for 1500, i haven’t seen them sell for that low… ---
**Author:** ![R33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@R33](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/R33)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/57 "2007-12-06T20:58:51Z")
> [@Ozzfest](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ozzfest/13969/34): > > um where do you find this “complete” redtop for 1500, i haven’t seen them sell for that low… ALmost every JDM place that sells redtops … Tiger japanease - $1500 complete AJ jap parts - $1200 complete u dont have to look too hard. ---
**Author:** ![nwmrkt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/aca169/32.png) [@nwmrkt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nwmrkt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/58 "2007-12-06T21:06:16Z")
> [@My noob post! 2.4T 1g neon here.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-noob-post-2-4t-1g-neon-here/14954/42): > > ALmost every JDM place that sells redtops … > Tiger japanease - $1500 complete > AJ jap parts - $1200 complete > > u dont have to look too hard. i don’t think you want to buy a SR from tiger… ---
**Author:** ![R33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@R33](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/R33)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/59 "2007-12-06T21:15:23Z")
> [@WTB: 205/55-60/15](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-205-55-60-15/15154/3): > > i don’t think you want to buy a SR from tiger… No one knows how good a motor is when they get it from jpn …Everyone assumes that it has under 60,000 and has good compression. If u look at some of the half clips u will see that the kms are actually in the 60,000 - 150,000 Range . And with all the drifting and shit going on in Japan , most of them have been through abuse. buying an SR from tiger is the same as buying one from any other JDM place … The fact is that u dont know how good the motor is until u fire it up and drive for a bit. Thats why they come with a warranty. ---
**Author:** ![TorontoGT-R33](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torontogt-r33/32/5500_2.png) [@TorontoGT-R33](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TorontoGT-R33)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619/60 "2007-12-07T01:57:45Z")
OMG it’s not locked yet? This shit has been talked about so many times over and over again. I’m not even going to bother adding anything more to the KA-T VS SR20 thing. However I will add to the where to buy an SR from. Buy an SR from a reputable source. Buy from a place that many others have bought from and had no problems and if there were any problems they were instantly taken care of. Be safe buy from Varun. I have heard and seen so many nightmares from these JDM parts places. I wouldn’t recomend it to anyone. They are good if you need some part asap but that’s about it. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-is-everyone-selling-their-ka-t/111619.md?page=4)