# Why not to start on a 600 story. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 16, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078 "2008-03-16T18:39:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/1 "2008-03-16T18:39:04Z")
> [@Quiks66](#): > > I met up with a few friends for a group ride yesterday up the 150 and then to the 33 out of Ojai. Most of the riders were experienced and fairly quick from what I had heard, but my leather suit was still at my friend’s house from the last track day. Needless to say, I took things easy only having my leather jacket, jeans, gloves and helmet for protection. I figured I would stay back and help out any newcomers, just try to pass on some tips. > > Anyhoo, one kid in particular looked out of his element on his bike. After finding out that it was his first bike, bought less than a week earlier, and had never ridden a canyon before, I found the guy to look out for. 2004 Suzuki GSXR 600 in near-new condition. Wonderful 😑 > > All of his friends took off without him, so I stayed back to make sure he stayed safe. Not 10 minutes into the ride, he tried to take a 25mph turn at 45mph, proceeding to lean _and_ grab a bunch of brake. The bike stood up and he came within a foot of the F-150 coming the opposite way. I sped up to get in front of him and pointed to the tail of my bike to have him follow me, which he did. We made it safely to the next stop and he was either too nervous or too “cool” to say anything to anyone else, so I let a couple people know that he wasn’t on top of things and to keep an eye out. > > Once we hit the transition to the 33 I went ahead with some other quicker guys, leaving the newb to follow at his own rate. Bad move. I had the feeling that something was going to happen, almost like a sixth sense :scared: , so I pulled off and let everyone go ahead of me. The kid wasn’t there. > > I looked back a few turns down the pass and saw a cloud of dust puff up into the air. Shit, I knew it. > > I rode back and found the newb trying to pick his bike up from the ground, it being partially stuck under the guard rail. First week with his bike, first ride through a canyon, and his first experience going down. His knee was scraped up and he was shaking a little, so I gave him some water and a Tylenol. He didn’t really know what had happened but told me the front tire “lost it”, probably washing it out somehow. > > The left side was pretty rashed and cracked off bits of plastic was on the ground. Still being a little “too cool” to admit he did something wrong, he blamed the fall on the bike. > > I do understand the draw people feel to newer 600cc SS’s, but some people should just NOT get them. Besides paying out the ass for the GSXR ($7000), he rode beyond his means, his friends leaving him to fend for himself, and did a few hundred $$ in damage in one week. This makes me understand a little more why there are laws in other places that limit the size of a rider’s first bike. I, myself, learned to ride on a Ninja 500 and moved to an F4i within a month, so I can’t really tell others not to do the same. I just hope that other people are willing to help out their friends when they first begin to ride. That’s all for now. I just wanted to share. Feel free to leave comments. :bull: I think we all know where I stand on this matter. :ponder ---
**Author:** ![91teg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91teg/32/6304_2.png) [@91teg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91teg)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/2 "2008-03-16T18:57:52Z")
you think he wouldve learned after his first mistake and eased up alittle but i guess thats part of being a nOOb on a bike way to powerful for you…that group mentality sets in and he prolly thought it wouldnt happen again…but hey maybe if he makes it threw his first month hell be fine…but his friends deff should not have took off on him knowing that he would try and play catch up…goes to prove vlads point along with many other sesonsed riders that most people are not cut out to start on a 600ss ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/3 "2008-03-16T19:06:21Z")
I’m getting a 954RR, 1000RR, R6 or 600RR maybe an R1 /story ;D ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/4 "2008-03-16T21:47:43Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > I’m getting a 954RR, 1000RR, R6 or 600RR maybe an R1 > > /story ;D I’m trying to say this in the least assholish way, but bro, I don’t know if you could physically handle a superbike. ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/5 "2008-03-16T21:49:23Z")
my 600RR was no joke… it walked away from a c6 z06 from a 55 roll to 100 and also took a gt500 on the highway from 70-130… power to weight is a bitch… unfortunately it didnt come with airbags :headbang ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/6 "2008-03-16T21:56:35Z")
I thought this was the “why not to start on a 600” story: [http://shift518.com/index.php?topic=191.0](http://shift518.com/index.php?topic=191.0) noobs :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Auto0utcast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/auto0utcast/32/6281_2.png) [@Auto0utcast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Auto0utcast)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/7 "2008-03-16T21:57:16Z")
ummm…suck me? :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/8 "2008-03-16T21:59:36Z")
throw a panty liner in it was a joke :🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/9 "2008-03-16T22:04:03Z")
I can’t say much, I went down as well. ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/10 "2008-03-16T22:32:53Z")
I started on a 600 and I am fine. You have to understand one thing and thats to respect the machine. If you take it easy and take time to learn the bike and the handling charcteristics of a sport bike you _can_ start on a 600. If you are just a fool and go wide open into your first turn you will end up in the schrubs. One a side note: I \<3 my R6 and another reason for spring to come soon! Nick ---
**Author:** ![Swifty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@Swifty](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swifty)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/11 "2008-03-17T00:49:25Z")
you shoulda raced that c6 z06 to 160, because at 130 he would have walked past you like you hit the brakes ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/12 "2008-03-17T05:40:15Z")
> [@AMD IS THE BEST](#): > > I started on a 600 and I am fine. You have to understand one thing and thats to respect the machine. If you take it easy and take time to learn the bike and the handling charcteristics of a sport bike you _can_ start on a 600. If you are just a fool and go wide open into your first turn you will end up in the schrubs. > > One a side note: I \<3 my R6 and another reason for spring to come soon! > > Nick Why start on a big bike if you’re going to take it slow? :confused Why pay more money just to have a slower learning curve and be slower in turns? If you don’t mind asking, how many miles do you have under your belt? ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/13 "2008-03-17T05:48:03Z")
there is a term that comes to mind here… healthy fear. It supposed to keep you from killing yourself. You must respect the machine. :nod ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/14 "2008-03-17T05:53:01Z")
I just do not understand the logic behind starting on a 600. There is only one logical reason behind it, and it’s not enough to justify hindering your learning experience, higher insurance rates, and increased risk… the only reason for that is how _others_ will perceive you on your bike… IE how it looks, which should be the last reason to pick a bike. It’s the natural progression of things in this world, get your hands on an item of some type usually on the low scale, mess around with it, learn on your mistakes and then upgrade. I It just so unfortunately happens that the most high end sports bikes are readily avaliable to amateurs with a credit line, which is simply not the case for 99% of other sports or objects out there. Most people don’t or can’t start with high end products, it’s stupid, unnatural and contra-productive. ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/15 "2008-03-17T20:33:23Z")
i completely disagree with your statement that people can’t start out on high end stuff in 99 percent of the other sports. just about anybody, with the money, can do and buy a ferrari, and think they are in the F1. money can buy you everything. when it comes to material objects. I didn’t buy my bike because it was a 600, I bought my bike because I had wanted one since '03 when the 'RR changed their fascia. yea, I bought the bike in part due to the looks. but EVERYONE does. you dont see many riders out there on bikes that they don’t like the looks. vlad, was I truly that slow on my 600 ? and on that subject… why does one have to go “fast” on a bike? to make it harder for the medical examiner to identify? I went fast enough to have a blast on my bike. I would like to get better at cornering, sure. But I want to learn on my bike, not have to go about selling and buying a bike when I want something better. I have no need to ever sell my bike in terms of wanting an upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Celtic1982citleC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/celtic1982citlec/32/6323_2.png) [@Celtic1982citleC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Celtic1982citleC)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/16 "2008-03-18T06:47:41Z")
06 FZ600-S…no need for the R6 how I ride. Got all the power of the R6 with 10000000x the comfort. Hooray for comfort. Boo for these ppl crashing. Take it easy, people :nod ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/17 "2008-03-18T08:22:53Z")
> [@Code Blue](#): > > i completely disagree with your statement that people can’t start out on high end stuff in 99 percent of the other sports. > > just about anybody, with the money, can do and buy a ferrari, and think they are in the F1. > > money can buy you everything. when it comes to material objects. > > I didn’t buy my bike because it was a 600, I bought my bike because I had wanted one since '03 when the 'RR changed their fascia. yea, I bought the bike in part due to the looks. but EVERYONE does. you dont see many riders out there on bikes that they don’t like the looks. > > vlad, was I truly that slow on my 600 ? and on that subject… why does one have to go “fast” on a bike? to make it harder for the medical examiner to identify? I went fast enough to have a blast on my bike. I would like to get better at cornering, sure. But I want to learn on my bike, not have to go about selling and buying a bike when I want something better. I have no need to ever sell my bike in terms of wanting an upgrade. You missed my point, I’m saying most people do not have the ability to start on a super car and that keeps the natural progression from slower cars to better as you can afford them. Bikes however are a totally different story, considering for cheaper then 99% of brand new cars, you can have something thats damn close to a Moto GP machine. It’s stupid to climb Mt. Everest as your first mountain. Is it doable? I’m sure, with proper control and taking it easy and precausions. Would I recommend anybody doing it without trying to climb small mountains first? No. There are factors out there beyond your control and having other things to deal with or not knowing the limits of your machine don’t help. It’s also stupid to learn to fly on a F22 Raptor jet plane. Is it doable if you take it easy and read 100 different manuals and how to’s on flying? Yes. But is it a better idea to learn to fly on a Cesna first and then gradually move up? :nod I can come up with a **million** examples like this, for some reason bikes are the exception to that, 99% of the time it’s the looks. ---
**Author:** ![Neo187H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Neo187H](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Neo187H)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/18 "2008-03-18T19:30:13Z")
The main thing with smaller bikes is that you can feel them better, you can lay them into a turn easier and hit the limits of the bike way before you hit your limits. Of course I accidentally went the opposite way and got a tank of a 750 katana for my first bike, yet still, I could feel the bike being uncomfortable in a turn or on the bikes before I would feel my self. So while on one hand it was frustrating not being able to lean the bike further over but on the other hand it kept me from trying to lean over and low siding the bike. "course a group ride is a whole other story, no noob should ever go on a group ride. Even just riding with Vlad with me in the lead being a large noob I could feel the pressure that I was holding him back from really having fun so I should try to go faster, and in turn would be pushing my limits without even realizing it until it was very nearly almost to late. ---
**Author:** ![Oleg](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/oleg/32/6276_2.png) [@Oleg](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Oleg)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/19 "2008-03-19T16:56:46Z")
this is a never-ending story, and i think it’s rather pointless to try and persuade people who are adamant to start on a 600/1000. some people choose to learn from other’s experience, some people think they’re better/smarter than others and life teaches them a lesson. some of them get away with starting on a big bike, some don’t, if they want to gamble with their life/health/money to show off to people who don’t give a shit - it’s their choice. if their egos are so fragile that they think they’ll get laughed at for riding something smaller than a 600, or girls will think their dicks is smaller, or whatever the hell those people think when deciding on a 600, then getting in over their head is just one of their problems. They’ll learn their lesson one way or the other, sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078/20 "2008-03-19T19:11:37Z")
so your saying I’m obviously dumber for starting on a 600, and if I started on anything other than that, I would think the ladies weren’t envious? and I’m just trying to “outsmart” people by having a 600? newsflash FUCK YOU i got the bike because I wanted the bike. would having a 250 or whatever lesser fucking size bike make ANY fucking difference? no. failed. > [@oleg](#): > > this is a never-ending story, and i think it’s rather pointless to try and persuade people who are adamant to start on a 600/1000. > some people choose to learn from other’s experience, some people think they’re better/smarter than others and life teaches them a lesson. > some of them get away with starting on a big bike, some don’t, if they want to gamble with their life/health/money to show off to people who don’t give a shit - it’s their choice. > if their egos are so fragile that they think they’ll get laughed at for riding something smaller than a 600, or girls will think their dicks is smaller, > or whatever the hell those people think when deciding on a 600, then getting in over their head is just one of their problems. > They’ll learn their lesson one way or the other, sooner or later. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-not-to-start-on-a-600-story/236078.md?page=2)