# wideband needed and have questions **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [February 12, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282 "2010-02-12T20:21:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/1 "2010-02-12T20:21:47Z")
whats a good one and how much ,i need one for the maro to keep a eye on things while gettin it jetted and tuned on nitrous and motor let me know :thumbup ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/2 "2010-02-12T20:31:49Z")
Innovate LC-1 is a great controller and uses the standard bosch WB02 sensor which can be purchased locally if needed. You can also get a variety of different gauges ranging from cheap to expensive. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/3 "2010-02-12T20:35:16Z")
what am i lookin at ,a standard gauge with a a/f ratio is fine i dont need a big elaborite setup ---
**Author:** ![AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/amd_is_the_best/32/6342_2.png) [@AMD\_IS\_THE\_BEST](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AMD_IS_THE_BEST)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/4 "2010-02-12T20:51:22Z")
$230 for the innovate LC-1 controller, sensor and digital gauge (red or blue) from [www.diyautotune.com](http://www.diyautotune.com) or direct from [www.innovatemotorsports.com](http://www.innovatemotorsports.com) . Great product, I’ve used it myself. ---
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/5 "2010-02-12T23:51:59Z")
yup ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/6 "2010-02-13T04:52:26Z")
Spend the money once, do it right and get an FJO. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/7 "2010-02-13T06:29:15Z")
innovative’s are great for the $$$. hey john my buddy kevin may have one, his name is 90whitepony on albanyunderground, you probably know him, he had two lc-1 setups in the garage before winter started, one used and one brand new. i have his number if you want. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/8 "2010-02-13T06:35:25Z")
If I remember right he sold those or atleast one of them. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/9 "2010-02-13T09:41:03Z")
the aem uegos are goin for 199 last i looked john… > **[AEM Wideband UEGO Air-Fuel Ratio Gauge – AEM 30-4110 – Modern Automotive...](https://www.maperformance.com/products/aem-wideband-uego-air-fuel-ratio-gauge-30-4110)** > > AEM (30-4110) UEGO Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge > When asked about checking their air, most drivers look at their tires. > Not you. You’ve busted your knuckles for hours... ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/10 "2010-02-13T15:13:23Z")
i bought klopmans aem from him for the car ---
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/11 "2010-02-13T16:33:52Z")
John just wide the sensor off and do a free air calibration on it(it’s part of the setup). AEM gauge is a good unit for the price. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/12 "2010-02-15T05:54:27Z")
Innovative is a good product. They also provide good support via forum. ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/13 "2010-02-15T06:04:46Z")
I will need one soon too but it needs to read Lamda for flex fuel… I think Innovate and AEM are capable of this but not certain. ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/14 "2010-02-15T09:37:27Z")
I had the LC1 and hooked it up too HP Tuners. Worked awesome and was cheap. ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/15 "2010-02-15T09:45:46Z")
LC1 is just too tempremental to me… ooh the sensor is at the wrong angle…whoops, too close to the engine, oh wait, gotta recalibrate the sensor, etc etc… If you want something that works, everytime, with any fuel you throw at it (LC1’s use the Bosch sensor which has a short life with leaded fuel), get an FJO. But what do I know, I’ve only been using widebands since 2000. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/16 "2010-02-15T11:27:30Z")
FJO is popular too. I did seem to go through a lot of WB02 with the Innovative. I ran nothing but race for a summer though. ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/17 "2010-02-15T11:31:59Z")
> [@Time for another weird post from me](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/time-for-another-weird-post-from-me/29334/26): > > FJO is popular too. I did seem to go through a lot of WB02 with the Innovative. I ran nothing but race for a summer though. I’ve owned two FJO’s-current one was purchased in 2004, and is on the original sensor. Seen lots of race fuel, was installed on my snowmobile for awhile, etc. No issues! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan90GL-X](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Bryan90GL-X](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bryan90GL-X)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/18 "2010-02-15T13:48:58Z")
Dont have too much experience with Innovate’s WB (using AEM’s) but their datalogging software, Logworks, is sweet. Ive been able to do a lot of good tuning with their SSI4 and Logworks. Customer service/support forum used to be awesome but has been lacking since they came under new ownership. Logworks3 has a few bugs with it and they dont look like they’ll ever be addressed because of this. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/19 "2010-02-15T16:37:55Z")
A very important feature is some ability to log the software especially by RPM. Making a run and then staring at gauge/RPM and guessing is not a good runing method. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282/20 "2010-02-16T06:54:23Z")
> [@WTF internet?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtf-internet/28479/307): > > Innovate LC-1 is a great controller and uses the standard bosch WB02 sensor which can be purchased locally if needed. You can also get a variety of different gauges ranging from cheap to expensive. > [@5/20 Nyspeed BBQ @ Chestnut Ridge \*\*PAYMENT INFO INSIDE\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/5-20-nyspeed-bbq-chestnut-ridge-payment-info-inside/24869/265): > > Innovative is a good product. > [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/5592): > > I had the LC1. +1 I have the LC1 in my jetta. I installed it right next to my OEM WB about 3 inches away from it. It is dead nuts on with the same reading through my Vag Com. I even calibraited it wrong, with the o2 still in the exhaust and its still on with readings. > [@Good place to drink on a Tuesday](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/good-place-to-drink-on-a-tuesday/29337/18): > > A very important feature is some ability to log the software especially by RPM. Making a run and then staring at gauge/RPM and guessing is not a good runing method. Yeah that part I dont like, I have a serial LC1 and a serial VAG-COM for the VW ECU, and only 1 port on the laptop. The software is nice and samples much faster than the VAG COM, but like you said there isnt an RPM readout, and I dont know how the controller would pick up rpms, I havent looked into it, because the VAG-COM logs WB AFR fine and it doenst matter to me right now to get the LC1 to log right. QUOTE=TurboTravis;547912]LC1 is just too tempremental to me… ooh the sensor is at the wrong angle…whoops, too close to the engine, oh wait, gotta recalibrate the sensor, etc etc… If you want something that works, everytime, with any fuel you throw at it (LC1’s use the Bosch sensor which has a short life with leaded fuel), get an FJO. But what do I know, I’ve only been using widebands since 2000.[/QUOTE] Dont know what you have going on there… I welded the bung on to the side of the pipe a few inches away from the stock WB O2. Even calibraited it in the pipe, your suposed to do it in fresh air hit the button and then stick it in the pipe and complete the process. Even with me not reading the directions its dead nuts on with the same readings as my stock WB O2. I even pulled the battery for 2 months on the car and fired it back up, didnt even calibrate it again, and once it warmed up it was again right on with the stock WB O2, i assume the controller has a watch battery backup or something. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-needed-and-have-questions/250282.md?page=2)