# WideBand Question. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 14, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764 "2007-11-14T16:19:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Justin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justin/32/7459_2.png) [@Justin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Justin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/1 "2007-11-14T16:19:57Z")
Is any one brand better than another? I am looking at a few and have not been able to make a decision. Pro’s and Con’s on any particular one would be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/2 "2007-11-14T16:43:08Z")
AEM is the best value IMO. Integrated controller. I think autometer is cheap. Innovative has been having way too many issues and doesnt include gauge. ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/3 "2007-11-14T17:46:46Z")
[http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2007/06/WidebandShootout/index.php](http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2007/06/WidebandShootout/index.php) here was an article that someone posted on another board im on. EDIT a few weeks ago it didnt require a subscription… now it does, bummer. basically AEM and innovate were the most accurate. I have a techedge 2A0 ([www.wbo2.com](http://www.wbo2.com)) i built mine as a DIY kit. it cost me under 200$ including a sensor from [www.1stvwparts.com](http://www.1stvwparts.com) (used to be 37$ 3 years ago) minus a display but i use a palm pda as a display. works great. excellent features: 3 0-5v datalogging inputs, 3 k type thermocouple inputs, rpm and afr logging. Brian ---
**Author:** ![BIGHANDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@BIGHANDS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BIGHANDS)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/4 "2007-11-14T18:22:41Z")
ive had the lm1 for over a year now great tuning tool also has the option of graphing 5 other analog sensors its a graet piece i have yet to use it to the fullest ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/5 "2007-11-14T18:58:09Z")
Innovate wideband is a faster reading unit than the AEM and has larger range but you can’t beat a built in gauge/controller. I would say that the AEM is probably your best bet because when the car is lower than 10.0 AF it’s rich. Plain and simple you should never be that rich tuning on gasoline. ---
**Author:** ![SoloIIscoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@SoloIIscoob](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SoloIIscoob)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/6 "2007-11-14T20:06:43Z")
[quote=“Carnut,post:5,topic:38764"”] Innovate wideband is a faster reading unit than the AEM and has larger range but you can’t beat a built in gauge/controller. I would say that the AEM is probably your best bet because when the car is lower than 10.0 AF it’s rich. Plain and simple you should never be that rich tuning on gasoline. [/quote] funny you say that. my speed runs 9:1 from the factory. leaning out to even 11:1 would gain SO much more usable power. :tif: mazdaspeed ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/7 "2007-11-14T20:07:44Z")
If you’re interested in an Innovate LM1, a friend of mine is selling a used one for a good deal. ---
**Author:** ![neonglh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neonglh/32/4951_2.png) [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/8 "2007-11-14T22:03:10Z")
[quote=“SoloIIscoob,post:6,topic:38764"”] funny you say that. my speed runs 9:1 from the factory. leaning out to even 11:1 would gain SO much more usable power. :tif: mazdaspeed [/quote] How the hell can it run 9:1 on the factory tune. It would just fowl the plugs every time it ran… If that is true, thats simply retarded. ---
**Author:** ![jay\_g](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jay_g/32/111288_2.png) [@jay\_g](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jay_g)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 5:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/9 "2007-11-15T05:31:35Z")
I like my PLX M300. I’M able to log it with my tuner. I have it hard wired and installed in the car so I can see whats going on all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Pauly](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pauly/32/7493_2.png) [@Pauly](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pauly)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/10 "2007-11-15T06:26:59Z")
[quote=“brent\_strong,post:7,topic:38764"”] If you’re interested in an Innovate LM1, a friend of mine is selling a used one for a good deal. [/quote] I’d be interested. I’ve been concidering one or a FAST dual sensor set up ---
**Author:** ![Toda\_Party](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/toda_party/32/7354_2.png) [@Toda\_Party](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Toda_Party)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/11 "2007-11-15T07:33:10Z")
[quote=“num482,post:9,topic:38764"”] I like my PLX M300. I’M able to log it with my tuner. I have it hard wired and installed in the car so I can see whats going on all the time. [/quote] :tup: to PLX & the avatar ---
**Author:** ![BIGHANDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@BIGHANDS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BIGHANDS)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/12 "2007-11-15T19:14:02Z")
ive tuned mine to 12.5 :1 with almost no et/mph gain on the spray ive been running between 9.5-10.5:1 tune last time out went 9.24@150 ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/13 "2007-11-15T19:42:14Z")
[quote=“BIGHANDS,post:12,topic:38764"”] ive tuned mine to 12.5 :1 with almost no et/mph gain on the spray ive been running between 9.5-10.5:1 tune last time out went 9.24@150 [/quote] really? neat. :tspry: ---
**Author:** ![Mixmastermike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mixmastermike/32/7314_2.png) [@Mixmastermike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mixmastermike)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/14 "2007-11-15T20:26:19Z")
How long could you expect the wideband sensor to last if you leave the innovate or aem sensor installed? ---
**Author:** ![Devioustsi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/devioustsi/32/7406_2.png) [@Devioustsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Devioustsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/15 "2007-11-15T20:40:57Z")
[quote=“Mixmastermike,post:14,topic:38764"”] How long could you expect the wideband sensor to last if you leave the innovate or aem sensor installed? [/quote] A year of daily driving easy… with a proper tune. Widebands don’t like to be ran long on anything richer than 11.8, but you should only be that way for wot and you don’t drive a car in wot daily without a mullet. ---
**Author:** ![Devioustsi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/devioustsi/32/7406_2.png) [@Devioustsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Devioustsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/16 "2007-11-15T20:42:54Z")
[quote=“BIGHANDS,post:12,topic:38764"”] ive tuned mine to 12.5 :1 with almost no et/mph gain on the spray ive been running between 9.5-10.5:1 tune last time out went [9.24@150](mailto:9.24@150) [/quote] Do you have an egt gauge? Timing has a big part in power as you probably know. Without an egt gauge or a dyno its very very hard to tune timing properly. ---
**Author:** ![Devioustsi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/devioustsi/32/7406_2.png) [@Devioustsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Devioustsi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/17 "2007-11-15T20:44:52Z")
To answer your question AEM or Innovate are awesome units… you can datalog with the aem gauge if you have a way to record the 5v output. ---
**Author:** ![BIGHANDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@BIGHANDS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BIGHANDS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/18 "2007-11-16T11:09:09Z")
[quote=“Devioustsi,post:16,topic:38764"”] Do you have an egt gauge? Timing has a big part in power as you probably know. Without an egt gauge or a dyno its very very hard to tune timing properly. [/quote] naa no egt timing is conservative at about 27 total no pepper on plugs dyno sucks because of the stall but gives good baseline runs ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/19 "2007-11-16T11:30:05Z")
[quote=“neonglh,post:8,topic:38764"”] How the hell can it run 9:1 on the factory tune. It would just fowl the plugs every time it ran… If that is true, thats simply retarded. [/quote] Not true, many factory turbo car run rich AF WOT, high load, in boost. No problem fouling plugs because the AF isn’t 9:1 at idle or part throttle ---
**Author:** ![Loves2Hate01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b19c9b/32.png) [@Loves2Hate01](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Loves2Hate01)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764/20 "2007-11-16T14:18:05Z")
[quote=“Devioustsi,post:17,topic:38764"”] To answer your question AEM or Innovate are awesome units… you can datalog with the aem gauge if you have a way to record the 5v output. [/quote] Dsmlink records the 5v output correct? Does dsmlink work any better or worse with one as opposed to the other? [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wideband-question/38764.md?page=2)