# Winterforce M+S w/ Studs or Blizzak REVO1 **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 4, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143 "2006-12-04T17:24:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/1 "2006-12-04T17:24:29Z")
They are the same price on Tire Rack (after the studding), what would you choose? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/2 "2006-12-04T17:29:06Z")
Revo1. Not a fan of studded tires for WNY driving. If I lived out in the Rockies maybe, but for our flat country and occasional snow regular snow tires are fine. Hell, regular all seasons are fine for most cars. ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/3 "2006-12-04T17:29:14Z")
revo 1s r awsome! ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/4 "2006-12-04T17:46:18Z")
How is the treadwear on the Blizzaks? Mike over at Innovative was telling me they didn’t wear nearly as well as the Hak’s he had (not sure which model). Can you get multiple seasons on them?? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/5 "2006-12-04T17:49:05Z")
Not sure about the revo1’s, but a couple of my friends had the WS-50’s and got 2 winters out of them and then sold them with lots of tread left. Both loved them and only sold them because they changed cars and the tires wouldn’t fit anymore. You’re going to have wear issues with any snow if you try to drive them on clear days anything like you drive your summer tires. The compound is softer and designed to bond with the surface at a microscopic level. When you break that grip on dry tar you leave lots of tire behind, much more than a summer tire that rides on top of the road. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/6 "2006-12-04T18:17:26Z")
I miss my WS-50. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![\_Karu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/_karu/32/7602_2.png) [@\_Karu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Karu)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/7 "2006-12-04T18:31:40Z")
i hope it’s gonna keep snowing now… or else i’ll be wasting my winterforce, damnit ---
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/8 "2006-12-04T18:45:44Z")
isnt there a pretty low limit on how fast you can drive with studs? ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/9 "2006-12-04T18:49:54Z")
dozer, ran some studs last year, i think they might be the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/10 "2006-12-04T19:40:25Z")
I know with my WS-50s I didn’t need studds. they are the bomb pimp, but they don’t make my size any more. the REVO 1 replaced it. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/11 "2006-12-04T19:46:55Z")
Both are good tires. Studs are not needed. Especially for you, you have AWD. For as much driving you do Matt you can probably get easily 2 seasons out of both. I think, studs are not allowed in NYS. ---
**Author:** ![JEG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeg/32/7246_2.png) [@JEG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JEG)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/12 "2006-12-04T19:47:25Z")
I had winterforce before, I loved them. ---
**Author:** ![carl5463729](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@carl5463729](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/carl5463729)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/13 "2006-12-04T20:08:28Z")
i work at dunn tire, and every once and a while people buy studded tires, i didn’t think that they would be that loud (and i only got it to like 10 mph), but it would be kinda annoying to hear the noise every time you are on pavement ---
**Author:** ![93dx\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90ced4/32.png) [@93dx\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93dx_hatch)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/14 "2006-12-04T20:16:17Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > Both are good tires. Studs are not needed. Especially for you, you have AWD. For as much driving you do Matt you can probably get easily 2 seasons out of both. I think, studs are not allowed in NYS. it is also his first winter driving stick, he needs all the help he can get ---
**Author:** ![layzie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/layzie/32/7599_2.png) [@layzie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/layzie)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/15 "2006-12-04T20:17:15Z")
> [@93dx--hatch](#): > > it is also his first winter driving stick, he needs all the help he can get bhahahahhahahaa ---
**Author:** ![Jim1234664](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim1234664/32/7438_2.png) [@Jim1234664](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jim1234664)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/16 "2006-12-04T20:26:09Z")
i work at dunn tire with carl, i have studded snows on the front of my jetta, its good for straight line acceleration, but i would reccomend getting all 4 (obviously for awd) or if you actually want to turn without the back end sliding out. you cant even hear the noise when snow is on the ground though, and ive been driving around on them for a month and a half, u get used to the noise. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/17 "2006-12-04T21:19:49Z")
> [@Jim1234664](#): > > i work at dunn tire with carl, Hot Carl? ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/18 "2006-12-04T21:38:56Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > How is the treadwear on the Blizzaks? Mike over at Innovative was telling me they didn’t wear nearly as well as the Hak’s he had (not sure which model). Can you get multiple seasons on them?? iam running dunlop graspic sp2 they work phenonminal if u buy 4 and rotate them i assure the blizzack will get you 2 to 3 season. get an alignment to because the soft tread of snow tires is very tempremental ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 4:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/19 "2006-12-05T04:36:44Z")
I’ve got studded Winterforce M+S’s on my Jetta. Got them before last winter started. Still lots of tread left. Do they work? I can’t even tell if the roads are snowy. They just don’t slip. Are they overkill? Probably. Also, studs are not legal in Canada. You can still drive across the border with them but you’ll get ticketed if you’re caught by a cop with them. They’re legal in NYS from October 15th through April 15th. I like em. Definitely less grip on dry pavement than all-seasons, but they’re not bad. I just can’t go WOT in 1st gear in my big bad VR6 without the traction control light yelling at me. Then once it starts snowing you can laugh as you dance circles around everyone that doesn’t have studded snows. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![rushman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@rushman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rushman)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143/20 "2006-12-05T04:58:32Z")
Studs are very much not worth it, especially if you plan on being on the highway at all. They are meant for people that live in the mountains or areas where roads aren’t maintained (areas of vermont with dirt roads where they do plow, but the roads are a constant snow pack). They are loud, wear quickly on dry roads, ruin your ability to brake when its not snowy out [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/winterforce-m-s-w-studs-or-blizzak-revo1/21143.md?page=2)