# WNY Autocross 5/6 NCCC **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 30, 2007, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538 "2007-04-30T11:50:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/141 "2007-05-07T10:10:55Z")
^I’d highly recommend it. Aside from learning a lot it’s a ton of fun! The one thing I should have done but didn’t was find someone good with FWD/understeer to drive my own car for me. I know my car is capable of more than I was able to do, but I’d be really interested to see just how much more. Next time… ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/142 "2007-05-07T10:12:36Z")
oh oh oh - pick me!!! Slow, crappy cars are my specialty! But if you really want to see what it can do, ask Mike to drive it. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/143 "2007-05-07T10:16:05Z")
There were 2 black WRX wagons there yesterday. You were driving the one that spent most of its runs sideways in a cloud of tire smoke right? 😃 Eh, you or Mike. I’m sure either of you could open my eyes a bit. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/144 "2007-05-07T10:20:04Z")
Same goes for me, I’m never driving a car competitive in it’s class, so if anyone wants to ride along, feel free to ask. Starting to upload pics… Didnt shoot all that many this weekend so if I missed you, sorry! ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/145 "2007-05-07T11:05:05Z")
![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9076.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9076.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9077.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9077.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9078.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9078.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9080.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9080.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9083.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9083.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9084.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9084.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9090.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9090.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9090.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9090.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9099.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9099.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9104.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9104.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9108.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9108.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9114.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9114.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9116.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9116.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/146 "2007-05-07T11:09:14Z")
![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9117.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9117.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9120.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9120.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9122.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9122.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9123.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9123.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9128.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9128.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9131.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9131.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9135.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9135.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9140.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9140.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9143.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9143.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9148.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9148.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Silver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silver/32/4953_2.png) [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/147 "2007-05-07T11:09:42Z")
[quote=“sureshot007,post:139,topic:28538"”] What I really want is a chance to take it for a spin. I’ll trade you for a spin in the civic, when (if) we get it running. [/quote] Hehehe… getting to drive my car is another case altogether, though I do have to give you points for persistence 😉 There are very few people I let drive her. Brad and Cory and Chris Morton because they were all my instructors at one point or another, and Mike and Dave because I both trust them explicitely, and because I know that they would man up if anything bad happened. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/148 "2007-05-07T11:10:47Z")
![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9150.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9150.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9156.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9156.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9161.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9161.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9163.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9163.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9167.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9167.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9169.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9169.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9170.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9170.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9174.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9174.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9176.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9176.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9180.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9180.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9183.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9183.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/149 "2007-05-07T11:14:20Z")
![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9202.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9202.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9203.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9203.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9207.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9207.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9210.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9210.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9217.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9217.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9218.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9218.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9223.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9223.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9225.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9225.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9236.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9236.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9238.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9238.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9261.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9261.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9263.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9263.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9266.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9266.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9268.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9268.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9277.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9277.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9280.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9280.jpg) ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9286.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/DSC9286.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/150 "2007-05-07T11:23:43Z")
Photos shot by myself and dmoffitt. And in case there was any question as to my “line” for the finish… ![http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/350z.gif](http://www.mturck.com/AutoX/NCCC/350z.gif) ![http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h273/hallockporsche/carsandcarstuff002.jpg](http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h273/hallockporsche/carsandcarstuff002.jpg) (from the WNYSCCA Forum) Which is amusing to me, because here’s my “line” the last time I drove at NCCC. ![http://www.mturck.com/DSC_0958.jpg](http://www.mturck.com/DSC_0958.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/151 "2007-05-07T11:29:18Z")
Nice pics! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/152 "2007-05-07T11:33:33Z")
[quote=“Silver,post:147,topic:28538"”] Hehehe… getting to drive my car is another case altogether, though I do have to give you points for persistence 😉 [/quote] Stephen compared his boxter to the type r, but he got rid of it before I had the chance to drive it. I have always wanted to give one a spin to see what it’s like. Not like I would push it real hard or anything (I’d be too afraid of something going wrong). ---
**Author:** ![stmotorsports](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@stmotorsports](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/stmotorsports)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/153 "2007-05-07T11:58:32Z")
[quote=“sureshot007,post:152,topic:28538"”] Stephen compared his boxter to the type r, but he got rid of it before I had the chance to drive it. I have always wanted to give one a spin to see what it’s like. Not like I would push it real hard or anything (I’d be too afraid of something going wrong). [/quote] oh horseshit- nothing ever goes wrong at our events :hang: definitely agree about the surface there being dogshit yesterday, even walking the course in the morning I was like UGH=dead tires later but then again as has been said before NCCC is always notoriously hard on tires, and some of it was my fault for cooking a lot of the corners in the 1st half of the day it was definitely a challenging course tho, alot tighter than I thought it was at first. I think I got fooled since visually the course appeared to be spread out over such a large area. I also think I was overly boost-happy with the new toys and found myself trying to be in the throttle even when I knew I shouldn’t have been 😃 ps- I run the black 2000 Civic Si #113SM. I’m usually doing scanning, anyone feel free to say hey anytime. Also anyone wanting to go for a ride and learn what NOT to do I could always use the ballast 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/154 "2007-05-07T12:02:44Z")
Well look what the cat dragged in. Welcome to Forced Induction 🙂 . Just because you have power doesn’t mean you need to use it. Isn’t it weird, having unusable power in a civic??? ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/155 "2007-05-07T12:16:38Z")
haha. hopefully ill be in the turbo hatch soon and i can join the useless FI club ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/156 "2007-05-07T12:18:10Z")
Aside from improving my own skill, is there something I should be doing with tire pressure to make my car understeer a little less? I filled up to 45F/40R psi that morning (although I checked them again at the end of the day and they were reading closer to 50F/45R :gotme:). The front tires are scuffed all the way over to the edge of the tread while the rears are maybe 1/4" away from the edge (not as far over.) ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/157 "2007-05-07T12:22:00Z")
The pressure will increase during the day, because ambient temps go up, and beating on the tires causes them to get hot - so check the before each run. It has been said before, but a good place to start is - raise the rears to get them to break free sooner. This isn’t always true, and depends on many factors, like tire brand, size, age, and car setup. At this point, since you are new, you should be experimenting with different things to see what you like. Oh, and pair up with someone that knows what they are doing, and pick their brain during the day. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/158 "2007-05-07T12:25:46Z")
Will do. I’m not a complete tard (I’m an engineer, so close) so I’m not going to go putting 70 psi in my rear tires trying to get my Jetta to oversteer, but whereabouts is the highest I should reasonably try? 45? 50? Leave the back alone and lower the front first? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/159 "2007-05-07T12:26:09Z")
[quote=“BikerFry,post:156,topic:28538"”] Aside from improving my own skill, is there something I should be doing with tire pressure to make my car understeer a little less? I filled up to 45F/40R psi that morning (although I checked them again at the end of the day and they were reading closer to 50F/45R :gotme:). [/quote] Did you check them before and immediately after every run and write down the behavior of the car as you made adjustments? Pressure goes up during the day how weird… goes total against anything they teach in thermodynamics. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/160 "2007-05-07T12:26:11Z")
Your tire pressures will go up during the day, which is why you’ll see people constantly checking pressures and making adjustments. Heat from the sun + heat from running. I believe (the FF guys can correct me if I’m wrong) that dropping pressures in the rear should help with your understeer. When I ran my wife’s Prizm in one event when the Fiero was dead I think I settled on 42F/25R to get some good rotation out of her 1.6liters of 3 speed auto fury. Also, a quick stab on the brakes may help shift some weight and get the car to rotate a little better. Again, I have 1 event of experience driving an FF layout, so who knows. In the cars I’ve autocrossed a lot understeer has never been an issue. 🙂 I know yesterday I started out at 40 front, 42 rear, chalked all 4, and went down to 36 front 38 rear and found a lot more traction. So I may have this completely backwards. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538.md?page=9)