# Would you race this guy for money?

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**Category:** Shift518 Automotive\
**Created:** [September 28, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/would-you-race-this-guy-for-money/247150 "2009-09-28T12:56:14Z")\
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**Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/would-you-race-this-guy-for-money/247150/41 "2009-09-28T18:07:45Z")

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> [@Poor little civic (V. Ebay of the day?)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/poor-little-civic-v-ebay-of-the-day/23664/2):
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> You don’t go to the track, brother.
> 
> BIG difference between an 8 second car and a 10 second car.

Tom-

I don’t know ya, but you’ve made two assumptions about me tonight based on not very much at all :lol

To start off I go to LVD every single wednesday, just about zero exceptions. I’m no genius, but i have been in some pretty fast cars and have a good sense of “speed”, I guess you could say.

#1 I did not say 8 seconds, I said sub 10. 9.999 is sub 10 if you want to get techincal.

#2 Here is an example of a 9.5 @ 145.0 car with a 98% stock body, let alone a STOCK FRAME TURBO.

[![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/f/c/fc0521dc75e0132a0568aa7f5fb14dde1be602e3.jpeg "Most-Wanted FP Red World Record Pass!!!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwPszXGLkzQ)

I’ve spent too much time on [evolutionm.net](http://evolutionm.net) for my own good and I could list out a “build” that would have a stock intake and exhaust manifold (both ported), stock heatshield over a stock-frame turbo, what appears to be a stock airbox, stock catback (with cutout downpipe, of course) a black anodized intercooler etc etc etc (aka 100% stock as a ROCK to anyone who is not a relatively heavily educated EVO enthusiast) that would run mid 10’s at mid 130’s. I’m going to ASSUME (:D) that you don’t give a shit so I’m not going to bother wasting either of our times going into further detail :rofl

This is just an example of the kind of “sleeper” that I’m talking about.

Bottom line if the owner cares about having the car be a sleeper it can be very difficult based on looks alone (exterior or in the case above, even the engine bay) to determine speed. Also with stock catback, a cutout, and another resonator or muffler after the cutout a ridiculously fast car can be made damn near stock volume as well

-Ryan 🙂

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