# Wow. Good for a chuckle. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [July 5, 2006, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174 "2006-07-05T11:48:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/1 "2006-07-05T11:48:15Z")
So I’m toying with the idea of changing jobs to a company that would have me at a 50 mile per day commute, so while I’m bored I’m looking over what I’d ditch my Jetta for to get good gas mileage. A Civic HX came to mind. They’re rated at 44mpg highway. IIRC it’s because they tuned the motor really lean. So I’m doing some reading and come across this site: [http://www.saltgod.org/1998civic/1998civic.html](http://www.saltgod.org/1998civic/1998civic.html) And I’m reading what he has to say and almost didn’t even catch this: > Next was an Injen intake. The first power mod for this car pays off in sound and acceleration. Unfortunately you have to knock the CVT down a gear or two to get the motor into VTEC range an really feel the gain - although most of it is probably psychological. Think about it… Let it sink in… OK, I’ll paraphrase: > I have to downshift the CONTINUOUSLY VARIABLE TRANSMISSION a GEAR or two to get into VTEC to really feel the gain from the intake. Honda’s are such great cars. It’s a shame when people who don’t know what they’re talking about try to sing their praises mechanically. :mamoru: Well I got a chuckle out of it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Skurge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skurge/32/7285_2.png) [@Skurge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skurge)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/2 "2006-07-05T12:07:00Z")
I shift my CVT everyday??? what gives??? HAHAHAHA ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/3 "2006-07-05T14:27:20Z")
I never even know you could get a CVT in a 90s honda. :o ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/4 "2006-07-05T15:03:50Z")
1. Honda’s have come with CVTs for a long time (including 1998), the HXs IIRC. They were one of the first cars to come with them in the US (aside from some old ass screwbarus). 2. Almost ALL automotive CVTs come with preprogrammed ratios and “shift” like an automatic. It’s very odd to drive a true CVT, to the point that most people think they are broken. As such, many/most come this way, stupid americans. Think about it. Let it set in. (I didn’t click the link, but I’m sure this guy is full of plenty of his own dumb anyway) ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/5 "2006-07-06T08:52:47Z")
What, no more smart ass replies? Bummer. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/6 "2006-07-06T09:57:02Z")
Meh, not a whole lot left. I thought it was funny that this guy who knows so much that he wanted to make a web page about modding his car was talking about changing gears with his CVT to get into VTEC y0. You make a good point that they program gear change-like ratio points so it feels like you’re shifting, but still if you’re going to publish something on modding then be accurate. I wonder how you would know if you had a true CVT and it was slipping… ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/7 "2006-07-06T12:11:31Z")
You missed the point. He WAS changing gears, y0. Set input and output pulley diameters = gear ratios = “changing gears”. And afaik, most Civics are piss slow out of Vtec, so needing to be in Vtec to feel his mod would make perfect sense. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/8 "2006-07-06T12:15:35Z")
Hmm… Are you saying that the CVTs in Hondas achieve a shift-like feel through step changes in pulley diameters or ratio set points that are saved in the computer? ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/9 "2006-07-06T12:21:02Z")
Kettle, meet pot. CVTs used in cars work via an “infinitely” variable gear ratio which they achieve by constantly varying the input and output sheaves depending on the programming they receive from the factory for any given situation. When you feel a “step” in a CVT it is because it is going directly from one pre-selected ratio to the next. It’s “changing gears” because you are changing the gear ratio through which your car is transferring power to the wheels. Nothing magic about it really. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/10 "2006-07-06T12:27:46Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Kettle, meet pot. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/11 "2006-07-06T13:18:26Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Kettle, meet pot. > > CVTs used in cars work via an “infinitely” variable gear ratio which they achieve by constantly varying the input and output sheaves depending on the programming they receive from the factory for any given situation. When you feel a “step” in a CVT it is because it is going directly from one pre-selected ratio to the next. It’s “changing gears” because you are changing the gear ratio through which your car is transferring power to the wheels. Nothing magic about it really. Gotcha, so it’s a programmed step change. I wasn’t sure if you meant by your previous post that rather than being infinitely adjustable they actually simplified it by physically creating a finite number of pulley diameters. Or would that complicate it… In case anyone can’t picture this stuff, here’s the basic idea: Oh, and I only met pot once. It was on vacation in Jamaica and boy did I learn that the fatherland is not the place to meet pot the first time. _cough cough cough cough cough __Constantly trying not to fall over to the right for 2 hours__ sleep like a baby_ ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/12 "2006-07-06T13:24:41Z")
dude just sell the vr and buy a knocker. it would cost you $2.97 to go to work one way 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-good-for-a-chuckle/14174/13 "2006-07-06T13:28:50Z")
Yep, and a chip + injectors would get me \>250 wtq! And the guy in the first link would tell me to make sure I put in fresh spark plugs to maintain good gas mileage! :inb4walterarguestoreplaceglowplugs: