# WTB safc 1 or 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Classifieds\ **Created:** [January 19, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318 "2007-01-19T18:41:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/1 "2007-01-19T18:41:00Z")
anyone have one around here? ---
**Author:** ![99\_civic\_si](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/99_civic_si/32/7319_2.png) [@99\_civic\_si](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/99_civic_si)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/2 "2007-01-21T12:56:53Z")
is it for a map based car of maf based? if it’s map based, I got a gadget that gets the job done very well. Just kinda a pain in the balls to program. ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/3 "2007-01-21T12:58:47Z")
no its maf ---
**Author:** ![woz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woz/32/7605_2.png) [@woz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/4 "2007-01-21T13:08:43Z")
i have the 1st gen one witht he dials, $100 ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/5 "2007-01-21T13:46:08Z")
what is the difference other than display between the I and the II? ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/6 "2007-01-21T15:19:46Z")
can I see a pic? ---
**Author:** ![Whiteesil80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ed655f/32.png) [@Whiteesil80](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Whiteesil80)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/7 "2007-01-21T19:11:42Z")
my240nissan no offense dude but do you ever buy anything? ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/8 "2007-01-21T20:17:53Z")
you never got back to me on the camber plates. I said I would drive to syracuse as soon as you said the word. not to be rude but when someone tells me where and when I try to be there as soon as possible ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/9 "2007-01-21T20:18:30Z")
if the safcI will do the same thin as the II ill take it tomorrrow ---
**Author:** ![woz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woz/32/7605_2.png) [@woz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woz)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/10 "2007-01-21T20:25:49Z")
> [@my240nissan](#): > > not to be rude but when someone tells me where and when I try to be there as soon as possible BS, you flaked on me like 3 times, u said u would be there so i went home and was there. and you never showed. ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2007, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/11 "2007-01-21T20:30:50Z")
well I apoligize for that I am not going to go back and foruth like some girls I was wrong. will the safc you have do the same things as the safcII? can I arrange something to pick it up? ---
**Author:** ![Whiteesil80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ed655f/32.png) [@Whiteesil80](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Whiteesil80)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/12 "2007-01-22T06:00:54Z")
thats also BS…those camber plates were all yours but you asked me about buying my interior and i gave you a price and that was the last i heard from you…but now Originalsin paid for the camber plates (BTW they are getting shipped either tomorrow or wens) and the kid i just bought that corbeau seat off of was also waiting for you. so you just seem like a guy thats just interested but doesn’t really have the money or want to spend the money. sorry good luck with findin a safc though ---
**Author:** ![woz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woz/32/7605_2.png) [@woz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woz)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/13 "2007-01-22T06:29:43Z")
the safc i have is the 1st gen one with the dials. there is no screen. it just allows you to adjust fuel +/-30. its much more user friendly but most people think they need the extra adjustment when 75% either wont use it or will use it without knowing exactly what they are doing. what about the other shit? i still have that bumper laying around ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/14 "2007-01-22T07:55:31Z")
I am tryin to finish my turbo setup right now do you think that will work on low boost 10psi max? ---
**Author:** ![woz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woz/32/7605_2.png) [@woz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woz)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/15 "2007-01-22T08:05:30Z")
what maf are you running and what turbo? ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/16 "2007-01-22T08:33:41Z")
an n60 for now ---
**Author:** ![woz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woz/32/7605_2.png) [@woz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woz)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/17 "2007-01-22T08:49:29Z")
yea it should work fine ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/18 "2007-01-22T08:52:16Z")
sorry n60 with t3/t4 and 550cc injectors. do you think I need a rom tune as well? ---
**Author:** ![fullCircle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/46a35a/32.png) [@fullCircle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fullCircle)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/19 "2007-01-22T10:36:41Z")
> [@pgmfi.org](#): > > I got tired of typing this repeatedly on discussion boards, so I decided to add it here. > > If you don’t know what a Piggy Back controller is, read about it first. > > Piggy Back controllers allow stock ECUs to do things that they normally can’t do, like run larger injectors or deal with boost. Remember that piggyback controllers work by altering sensor signals before they get to the ECU. > > Most of the time, the primary signal being messed with is the Map Sensor. This is critically important in a Speed Density car. The Map Sensor is used by the ECU to guess how much air is going into the car, and therefore how much fuel to supply in order to match airflow. When you “lean” out a car with an AFC, you are simply decreasing the Map Sensor signal - the ECU responds to the decrease in manifold pressure by supplying less fuel. When you “richen” a car with an AFC, you are simply increasing the Map Sensor signal - the ECU responds to the increase in manifold pressure by supplying less fuel. > > The change in fueling happens for a reason: if you look at a fuel table, Map Sensor values correspond with columns. When you increase or decrease the signal from the Map Sensor, you are simply making the ECU use a different column than it originally would have used. (see Understanding Maps if you need some help understanding reading Fuel and Ign tables) > > But wait, isn’t the Map Sensor used for determining ignition requirements too? When you “lean” out a car with a Piggy Back, you also in all likelyhood advanced timing. When you “richen” a car with a Piggy Back, you also in all likelyhood retarded timing. Look at trends horizontally (as MAP changes) in an ignition table, and you will see why this happens. This helps explain why so many boosted cars running on the “AFC hack” have issues due to excessive ignition advance. > > The bottom line: Piggy Back Controllers suck because you cannot independently adjust fuel and ignition. Any changes to fueling will produce a change in ignition too, and often this is undesirable. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![my240nissan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@my240nissan](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/my240nissan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2007, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318/20 "2007-01-22T11:12:04Z")
thanks for the info but I am confused I see people doing things different but I want to be sure I get the right things before I spend 1000+ on an ems [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-safc-1-or-2/23318.md?page=2)