# Yeamabu's question, AndyB learns Physics, Skurge learns Probability
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230
**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [August 4, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230 "2011-08-04T05:38:52Z")
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### Author:  [@AndyB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AndyB)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/81 "2011-08-05T13:00:49Z")
he said falling underneath the car with the tires moving.
you were at a track, what if someone had rc cars and got out of control?
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHZJv8APS-c](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHZJv8APS-c) hahahhahaha
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/82 "2011-08-05T13:02:20Z")
How would he fall under the car when his trajectory was _over_ the car?
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### Author:  [@AndyB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AndyB)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/83 "2011-08-05T13:08:27Z")
^crash while going up it. if he would have lost control while building up speed to jump, hits the ramp sideways then falls over the top of the ramp bringing certain skidmarks on him.
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### Author:  [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/84 "2011-08-05T13:26:14Z")
> [@Jack](#):
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> Dude… .165m is 6.49 inches… making your wheel and tire combo only 6.5 inches tall (since you’re using the combined weight of both wheels/tires, your radius must have been the same?)…
> Unless m is a variable (which it wasn’t, M was the variable), I don’t think so. Fail.
Hmm, good catch. I’m glad someone actually read it, haha. 0.661m was the correct value… Also, there were a LOT of broad generalizations in there made for the sake of winning an internet argument. Really I != .25mr^2, either.
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> [@AndyB](#):
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> ^crash while going up it. if he would have lost control while building up speed to jump, hits the ramp sideways then falls over the top of the ramp bringing certain skidmarks on him.
First of all, Jack only crashes after flying minimum of 15 feet away from any ramp.
Second, at least any mishap would be through his own negligence, not someone plowing into him.
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/85 "2011-08-05T13:27:35Z")
Poll added! 🙂
> [@AndyB](#):
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> ^crash while going up it. if he would have lost control while building up speed to jump, hits the ramp sideways then falls over the top of the ramp bringing certain skidmarks on him.
You’re kidding right?
The likelihood of Jack falling before his ramp, somehow managing to have enough speed to go over the ramp BUT not enough speed to go over the car AND ending up under Newman’s wheels is not in ANY WAY the same likelihood that a drifting car screwing up its line and crashing into a photographer standing on the inside line.
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### Author:  [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/86 "2011-08-05T13:32:56Z")
Lastly, I’d just like to point out that all the participants in the Bike stunt were PERSONAL FRIENDS of the event coordinator. He knew their limits, their personalities, skills, and trusted them. Josh does not know yeamabu. Josh does not know all the drivers competing in the event. Maybe there are some janky ass nissans piloted by noobs driving around a potentially sue-happy photographer… Josh doesn’t know. Risk mitigation.
If Joe-Shmo wanted to line up under the ramp and do a heater, I doubt josh would have let him.
Ultimately it’s Josh’s event and if he doesn’t feel comfortable with it, then don’t complain. Try and show up at a pro sporting event and hopping down on the field with the other photographers… If they are allowed, well, shouldn’t YOU be?
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/87 "2011-08-05T13:35:22Z")
Moved to NET-AUTO so the Canadian drifters can chime in on the poll 🙂
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### Author:  [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/88 "2011-08-05T13:39:37Z")
WTF!!! I was like " I damn well didnt start this thread" lol I really dont give a shit where this goes. Either way, just like people chancing taking there car around a track and possibly crashing it, I would like to stand where I want to take a photos and chance myself. its a similar situation. regarless of what is safer or not. Its my own choice if I want to chance it or not. Its obviously the choice of the organizer or facility dont get me wrong. but the choice is mine to even bother trying to do it.
they are both not safe. tires pop, pieces go flying and can seriously injure someone. along with that, Josh sorry to say, those people are infront of the wall that newmans car is pointed at. they are pretty much infront of the car. You damn well know people slide over more and more to get a better view.
as for standing on the track. clearly that is more dangerous due to the fact you have a 2500lb - 3500lb car sliding around a track breaking traction on purpose. if it looses control, it has the possibility of hitting you and killing you being that all that way is going to travel over you and then some.
either way. chance I was willing to take given the option.
bottom line… who cares, I cant do it, so I dont give a fuck anymore. lol
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### Author:  [@AndyB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AndyB)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/89 "2011-08-05T13:45:58Z")
> [@yeamabu](#):
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> WTF!!! I was like " I damn well didnt start this thread" lol I really dont give a shit where this goes. Either way, just like people chancing taking there car around a track and possibly crashing it, I would like to stand where I want to take a photos and chance myself. its a similar situation. regarless of what is safer or not. Its my own choice if I want to chance it or not. Its obviously the choice of the organizer or facility dont get me wrong. but the choice is mine to even bother trying to do it.
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> they are both not safe. tires pop, pieces go flying and can seriously injure someone. along with that, Josh sorry to say, those people are infront of the wall that newmans car is pointed at. they are pretty much infront of the car. You damn well know people slide over more and more to get a better view.
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> as for standing on the track. clearly that is more dangerous due to the fact you have a 2500lb - 3500lb car sliding around a track breaking traction on purpose. if it looses control, it has the possibility of hitting you and killing you being that all that way is going to travel over you and then some.
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> either way. chance I was willing to take given the option.
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> bottom line… who cares, I cant do it, so I dont give a fuck anymore. lol
haha, point well said, and this is the last time i stick up for other members but at least I get to draw pictures!
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### Author:  [@Skurge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skurge)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/90 "2011-08-05T13:48:57Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#):
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> How would he fall under the car when his trajectory was _over_ the car?
> [@Onyx Z32](#):
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> Impossible. The ramp was literally next to the car:
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> But you do point out another difference between these two situations;
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> Bike jump = human in motion, vehicle stationary.
> Drifting = vehicle in motion, human stationary.
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> Which do you think would be worse if the human and vehicle collided?
anything is possible, could have blew out a tire/frame broke in half a few feet from the ramp and slid under, there’s endless things that could have gone wrong to put him next to the ramp and not over the ramp
hell riding a 20" i’ve had my frame break apart right at the front before, along with my front wheel falling off another time, and i’ve probably been riding bikes just as long if not longer than anyone else on here. i’m the crazy one that rides trails in shorts/tshirt and no helmet
i’m not trying to argue, just saying its totally possible to happen, and the damage would be just as bad i would imagine
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> [@AndyB](#):
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> haha, point well said, and this is the last time i stick up for other members but at least I get to draw pictures!
it would have been way cooler if you used finger paints imo, just sayin
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/91 "2011-08-05T13:52:12Z")
lol, getting silly isn’t it?
Kevin, you weren’t there man. Neither was AndyB.
No one who was there was in danger of being run over by Newman’s car. There were what, 60 people watching? And none of them have posted in this thread to agree with you.
> [@Skurge](#):
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> … there’s endless things that could have gone wrong
Yeah, but are they MORE LIKLEY to occur than
> [@Onyx Z32](#):
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> a drifting car screwing up its line and crashing into a photographer standing on the inside line.
That’s the question. And the answer is no.
> [@Skurge](#):
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> i’m not trying to argue…
lol 🙂
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### Author:  [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/92 "2011-08-05T14:02:02Z")
Like I said, Cant be done. I’d like to risk my own to get a good picture… my option to do so. I’m not allowed to so thats the end of it. Point I was originally getting at, I dont care how dangerous either one is, I would have done both.
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### Author:  [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/93 "2011-08-05T14:07:48Z")
I’m just here to say that this thread sucks.
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### Author:  [@Jack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jack)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/94 "2011-08-05T14:09:02Z")
> [@newman](#):
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> Hmm, good catch. I’m glad someone actually read it, haha. 0.661m was the correct value… Also, there were a LOT of broad generalizations in there made for the sake of winning an internet argument. Really I != .25mr^2, either.
Of course i read it! I was an engineer for like 5 minutes. But knowing you, the 6.5" wheels wouldn’t have been too much of a stretch. Pun intended.
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### Author:  [@L8APEX1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/L8APEX1)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/95 "2011-08-05T14:24:42Z")
One additional note to this entire argument, that I can’t believe hasn’t been stated, is that Newman was in the water box. Even if his brakes did fail during said burnout he would have came out at a brisk walking pace for the first 10-15 feet then started to get traction. During that brief period anyone with a pulse would have realized this and either shutdown the car or got the he’ll out of the way.
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/96 "2011-08-05T14:34:15Z")
L8APEX1, did you vote for the wrong choice in the poll then?
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/97 "2011-08-05T15:11:46Z")
Personally i think both are stupid. (not the people, the trying to take pictures of retards attempting to drift and jumping over a burning out car)
But to think nothing wrong could happen in the car jumping is dumb.
And there’s like 8 inches of water to the right of newmans right tire and he has about a foot of movement allowed foward before he is completely out of any water. i trust newmans driving but still anything can happen.
But you can die on the way to work. Choke on water and die. Swallow a bee and get stung in the throat and die. Get hit by a drifting car and get killed. Case the jump going over a burning out car fall back and break your neck and die. If you’re going to think like that then you might as well stay home all day and be a pussy… oh wait, u could die from carbon monoxide. the world is unsafe!!!
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### Author:  [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/98 "2011-08-05T15:28:42Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#):
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> L8APEX1, did you vote for the wrong choice in the poll then?
AndyB convinced me.
Also.
Jack rules.
Also.
I don’t believe you people drive to these events.
Driving is dangerous.
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/99 "2011-08-05T15:30:16Z")
strawman shit fggt!!
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### Author:  [@purestock240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/purestock240)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yeamabus-question-andyb-learns-physics-skurge-learns-probability/215230/100 "2011-08-05T15:38:44Z")
> [@Skurge](#):
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> anything is possible, could have blew out a tire/frame broke in half a few feet from the ramp and slid under, there’s endless things that could have gone wrong to put him next to the ramp and not over the ramp
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> hell riding a 20" i’ve had my frame break apart right at the front before, along with my front wheel falling off another time, and i’ve probably been riding bikes just as long if not longer than anyone else on here. i’m the crazy one that rides trails in shorts/tshirt and no helmet
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> also, you say youve been riding bikes forever and only TWICE has something fucked up happen that would result in a shitty ending for the jump
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> how many times has the average drifter fucked up a line? im willing to bet alot more than twice.
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> i’m not trying to argue, just saying its totally possible to happen, and the damage would be just as bad i would imagine
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> it would have been way cooler if you used finger paints imo, just sayin
Getting smashed by a car that the throttle sticks on/tire blows/ driver error/ wtf happens while standing there and getting completely fucked up for life and being a miserable couch potatoe = maybe 1/20 chance for the day
the guy on the bike fucking up/ bike breaking/ ramp breaking (only 3 ways that could go wrong)chances of happening = maybe 1/200 chance of happening, also the damage done to the person would be next to nothing, few bruises and scrapes, at worst his ankle hits the wheel and gets fucked up or something, no matter what= he still lives and isnt stuck in hospital bed for life.
standing beside the driftin car is worse, BY FAR, especially when that corner will be drifted around couple hundred times a day
of course though with your logic your going to say something rediculous what if newmans flywheel blew apart and a stray part flew and hit the guy on the bike in the neck and slit it. but try using common sense
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also you say youve been biking forever, yet only TWICE has something gone wrong that COULD POSSIBLY result in a shitty ending to the bike jump
how many times has the average drifter at this event lost a line? im willing to bet more than twice
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