# You owe 40 million to the government for a piece are art you cant sell or donate
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**Created:** [July 25, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498 "2012-07-25T10:54:37Z")
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### Author:  [@imported\_hybrdthry91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_hybrdthry91)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/1 "2012-07-25T10:54:37Z")
Heir receives estate including a stuffed bald eagle. The IRS values it at $65 million, although 3 assessors say its worth $0 because it is ILLEGAL TO SELL. It is also worth 0$ when donated so can’t even be pawned off on a museum. So there is no legal way for the heir to not pay 40 million dollars to the government.
> **[A Catch-22 of Art and Taxes, Starring a Stuffed Eagle](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/arts/design/a-catch-22-of-art-and-taxes-starring-a-stuffed-eagle.html?pagewanted=all)**
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> Even though its owners cannot legally sell “Canyon,” an artwork by Robert Rauschenberg that features a stuffed bald eagle, the I.R.S. wants them to pay $29.2 million in taxes on it.
thoughts?
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/2 "2012-07-25T10:55:26Z")
HAHA that’s fucked up
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### Author:  [@adamea1635](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/adamea1635)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/3 "2012-07-25T11:05:37Z")
That is some bullshit. Can they take out insurance on it? They value it at $65million give it to the IRS and deduct it from the bill. Prob a felony there too…LOL
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/4 "2012-07-25T11:06:13Z")
Why is it illegal to sell?
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### Author:  [@Eatonualive](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eatonualive)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/5 "2012-07-25T11:06:52Z")
bald eagle is attached to it
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/6 "2012-07-25T11:07:22Z")
disregard, fucking birds, they’re not even protected anymore I thought
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### Author:  [@adamea1635](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/adamea1635)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/7 "2012-07-25T11:08:19Z")
> [@08 wrx pulls when braking](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/08-wrx-pulls-when-braking/50264/2):
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> Why is it illegal to sell?
[1940 Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act](http://www.fws.gov/midwest/Eagle/guidelines/bgepa.html)
Dead or alive cant be in possession of one or sell one. Apparently this one was shot and stuffed by one of the Ruff Riders with FDR… Before the law was passed.
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### Author:  [@Eatonualive](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eatonualive)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/8 "2012-07-25T11:10:50Z")
now my question is what if the bird was killed prior to any of the bird laws. i see they mentioned that it was rumored to be killed earlier in time. id have the eagle carbon dated lol. why the hell not.
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### Author:  [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/9 "2012-07-25T11:14:33Z")
Now what’s say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
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### Author:  [@GATVILLE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GATVILLE)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/10 "2012-07-25T11:18:02Z")
just light it on fire, and forget the entire thing, i wouldnt want the hassle. They already made millions selling off the other artwork
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### Author:  [@adamea1635](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/adamea1635)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/11 "2012-07-25T11:37:52Z")
Problem is you cant deal them if they are alive or dead. Not like people being grandfathered into drivers license laws. This is like when Prohibition started, even if it was made before it was still illegal. The fish and game council or whatever just allowed this one to be kept. Figure if they do it like prohibition the gov’t would destroy it just like they did with alcohol… That would be my argument you can have the stupid bird to destroy, sighting prohibition… F it.
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### Author:  [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/12 "2012-07-25T11:39:40Z")
This is why the black market was created.
Yes that was sarcasm.
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### Author:  [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/13 "2012-07-25T11:47:46Z")
can’t they turn down what they inherieted or something?
it’s pretty fucked up you have to pay a tax when you inheriet it even though it’s already been taxed but i guess used cars are the same. i would have though the museam would have counted as a donation and a tax write-off. the world today is fucked
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### Author:  [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/14 "2012-07-25T11:58:13Z")
That is just plain fucked up. Two major govt agencies can’t even get their bearings straight between themselves. :Idiots
Usually there is paperwork with these types of now-illegal taxidermy(like polar bears rugs) that show when it was completed prior to the law/ban. This takes on a whole new meaning to that though.
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### Author:  [@slwrthnu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slwrthnu)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/15 "2012-07-25T11:58:38Z")
if it can’t be sold or traded or donated or whatever then it is worth $0, the irs needs to stop being fucktards and start using common sense.
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### Author:  [@swaiknow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/swaiknow)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/16 "2012-07-25T12:00:34Z")
> [@Water Powered Cars... why not?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/water-powered-cars-why-not/55290/3):
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> [1940 Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act](http://www.fws.gov/midwest/Eagle/guidelines/bgepa.html)
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> Dead or alive cant be in possession of one or sell one. Apparently this one was shot and stuffed by one of the Ruff Riders with FDR… Before the law was passed.
Umm…i don’t wanna be a history nazi guy but it was Teddy Roosevelt, not FDR that had the ruff riders.
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### Author:  [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/17 "2012-07-25T12:00:52Z")
> [@Water Powered Cars... why not?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/water-powered-cars-why-not/55290/5):
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> just light it on fire, and forget the entire thing, i wouldnt want the hassle. They already made millions selling off the other artwork
:rofl beat me to it
> [@Water Powered Cars... why not?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/water-powered-cars-why-not/55290/4):
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> now my question is what if the bird was killed prior to any of the bird laws. i see they mentioned that it was rumored to be killed earlier in time. id have the eagle carbon dated lol. why the hell not.
:lol that would be a good test for carbon dating, they would probably say it’s 1000 years old
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### Author:  [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/18 "2012-07-25T12:04:22Z")
> [@FS: FT: 91 turbo civic hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-ft-91-turbo-civic-hatch/48333/64):
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> Problem is you cant deal them if they are alive or dead. Not like people being grandfathered into drivers license laws. This is like when Prohibition started, even if it was made before it was still illegal. The fish and game council or whatever just allowed this one to be kept. Figure if they do it like prohibition the gov’t would destroy it just like they did with alcohol… That would be my argument you can have the stupid bird to destroy, sighting prohibition… F it.
Fuck that they won’t destroy it. Obama heard about it and wants to put it on top of his basketball hoop pole.
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### Author:  [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/19 "2012-07-25T12:05:52Z")
> [@Noob EuroTuner Nickel City](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/noob-eurotuner-nickel-city/50266/2):
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> Umm…i don’t wanna be a history nazi guy but it was Teddy Roosevelt, not FDR that had the ruff riders.
I heard they had an anthem that DMX performed for them when they were on the trail too. Is this factually correct?
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### Author:  [@adamea1635](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/adamea1635)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2012, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-owe-40-million-to-the-government-for-a-piece-are-art-you-cant-sell-or-donate/264498/20 "2012-07-25T12:08:10Z")
> [@Noob EuroTuner Nickel City](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/noob-eurotuner-nickel-city/50266/2):
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> Umm…i don’t wanna be a history nazi guy but it was Teddy Roosevelt, not FDR that had the ruff riders.
Yup… :skid for me.
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