this is why i will be writing this man in
speech from when it failed
speech from when its passed
^ No one cares about the truth on here because it hurts.
Alright Don, show me your god damned proof. Proof. Not clips & references to mockumentarys, theorys, opines, and editorials. You want to change minds, bring data. You know how theoretical physics works right? You can indirectly validate something by showing proof (with math in that case) of the other “visible” precursors & aftermath. Go for it.
You want to talk about a fucking high horse? You want to argue your points to the death yet you’re not willing to educate people as to why you stand as you do. So what are the goal of your efforts? People debate because they want to prove a point, sway a mind, or sway a group of minds. You apparently care for none of those… are you merely looking to project your omnipotence regarding the global social structure in the same way that you do your autmotive knowledge? If that is all that your tirades boil down to then spare me.
YOU, of all fucking people, who are so set in your mental path that you cannot be swayed by any form of argument, data, or factual reference… you’re complaining about being closed minded when someone questions your beliefs? I never pegged you for one of the religious fucking zealots, and I can only imagine that particular faux pas of mine is beacuse it took this long to get fed up with “I’m right, no i can’t tell you why, it’s not worth my time because everyone but me is closed minded” approach to quasi-intelligent conversation.
I hate people too; I trust nearly no one including the institution, and I’ve made many of the social & institutional arguments that you have in the past. In fact I agree with many of the viewpoints that you’ve so vehemently supported over the past few years so don’t label me as a member of the sheeple. If You want to stand at the gates and scream clandestine plots while waving your manilla folder at me you’d fucking better be willing to show me whats in it, and it had better be something more then barely auidble recordings of Deepthroat or grainy footage of a what might be shadow at the grassy knoll…
I have no problem taking the red pill if the chance that the reasoning maybe valid - I have no problem doing the legwork to follow up on that lead and make my own decision.
^ BAM!
(that’s all the input i wish to contribute to this thread)
I hear what Nikuk is saying and that is the challenge of conspiracy theories.
It’s not like the Feds called CNN and told them they were moving the Iran Contra documents/evidence to the Murrah Federal building so they should report it.
There is no proof about tower number 7 but, it sure is strange that it just seemed to fall on it’s own.
Disclaimer; I don’t think Bush orchestrated the whole 911 thing.
So the question is: do we just ignore this stuff or not discuss it until there is absolute proof?
Honestly I wish I had never seen any of this stuff but since I have it at least makes me scratch my head.
As evidenced by the rest of your post: no you don’t.
If you don’t discuss it, or if you’re waiting on absolute proof then you may as well watch CNN, Oprah, and the rest of the media’s talking heads.
Are they valid questions? Yes.
Do I consider the findings of zeitgiest, loose change, tinwiki, and the rumors amongst the ether to be evidence enough to make me believe in that the Free Masons, Illuminati, and the like are at fault for all things evil… no.
Do I believe that man is inherently evil? Yes. In the same fashion that you are promoted (corporate america reference) to your highest level of incompetence.
I’m not going to tell someone they are completely wrong unless they’re telling 2+2=5. However if they’re telling me that the square root of 65406540643.7 is Pi, then I’m not going to discount them until I find a calculator. That’s what I’m saying.
Don, You (mike), and a few others are all of the same camp to some extent: “Don’t believe the institution when they tell you 2+2=4, because actually 4=1.3*3.076923.” Well thats great, but can you tell me why your math is any better then mine?
Beyond that, call it what you will.
dude.
1: that’s way deep for NYSpeed
2: that’s way deep for 9:30.
I don’t say don’t believe them, I say question them.
All of my life I believed that the govt did what was best for the people but in recent years I have learned to question that.
I was wise enough to know that WMDs were just an excuse but maybe I wasn’t wise enough to know the real motivation.
I admitedly have made posts just to stir things up but the problem is you can’t detect that online.
It is like sarcasm online - it sometimes get missed.
Did you get a box of cheerios mike added some special “flavor” to this morning?
:bigclap: to Nikuk.
And Mike, when you say there is “no evidence” about building 7, you conveniently dismiss the mountains of evidence that don’t support your conspiracy theories.
^I don’t remember seeing that website before now but, I will check it out.
Back on topic.
Jeg, republicans push deregulation, not democrats.
Everyone else, here, learn something:
holy fuckin shit really, wow, that whole fuckin article was an argument on how larry silverstein didnt say pull or how the word “pull” means something different. There were several other buildings in the compound that suufered far more damage than this building and they never came down. When a private research group showed the video to 10 different demolition experts from around the world all 10 of them said it was a controlled demolition. When have you ever seen a fucking building on fire and it just collapses to the ground. Many buildings throughout history have suffered severe internal and infrastructure damage without collapsing, hell, sometimes planned demolition dont work because of the strong structure of the bulding. God i hate these political threads its a bunch of fuckin blink monkeys trying to hump a fotball. And don has done the research instead of watching fox and cnn and then taking what they say on the news and posting it here like 90% of you dumb fucks do.
edit—>O by the way, bailout sure seems to be helping doesnt it :tup:, more debt for us and more interest for the fed to rape us on. the never ending debt machine continues.
ok, can we get back on subject and leave out the conspiracy theories please?
Any educated person understands that things are corrupt, except the people doing the corrupt things don’t all get together and plan out their “secret plan to ruin you.” It is just a matter of individual greed, evil and MOSTLY IGNORANCE that causes all of this shit. Most of the people doing the things that fuck everything up think they are actually doing the right thing.
ANYWAY, so, I guess it was game over for financial markets eh?
I like you more and more.
Question for you, since you’re more knowledgable than me on this stuff: You were opposed to the bailout. You think we should have let the market self-correct and we should have just taken our medicine, right? How bad do you think it would have gotten, and for how long?
I heard Ron Paul say something about 1 year for the market to correct itself, but this seems totally unreasonable to me.
Fry: A commonly thrown around figure is that the Dow in particular was overvalued already and should “correct” down to about 8000-8500. This is a figure that has been floating around for a couple of years… from internet forums to “popular” analysts.
IMO, the bottom is around that mark… we’re in the mid 9s as it is afterall.
The correction of the market - after these “growing pains” will take 10-12 months depending on the election outcome.
Look at it this way, for all of the end of the world penny pinchers: There is NO point in history where the markets have sustained a loss over 20 years. Pick any year, and look 20 yrs later, adjust for inflation, and realize that all speed bumps pan out. You are a ways from needing your retirement fund.
The market would correct itself immediately.
The people may need a year to recover from the painful truth.
Yeah, theoretically the market would correct itself very fast and it would cause a year of pain. But the faster we hit bottom, the faster we can climb out. Right now they are just prolonging the pain, which is more destructive in the long run. I always say think with your mind, not your emotions.
Edit: I think we have crossed a line now where the damage from all the “bailouts” has been done. I think a hands off approach would be a bad idea at this point. But doing what they are now is certainly not the right way to go. I have read a few ideas that keep the free markets and restore confidence. That is what we need. Though, I don’t think it will happen in time. It is a downward spiral from here.
edit2: fed cuts rate 50 points in emergency move. Futures go up for an hour and now they are negative again. They cant stop this.
Just to clarify I was speaking of the housing market not the stock market.
The stock market is already correcting itself by going down.