turbo cars have been used for decades in all kinds of motorsports… what are you talking about. .
GT
turbo cars have been used for decades in all kinds of motorsports… what are you talking about. .
GT
I never said turbo cars aren’t used in motorsports. I said they’re unreliable compared to N/A.
You don’t have to worry about boost creep, boost spikes, going too lean, you don’t have to worry about an intercooler hose popping off, it’s a lot easier to cool your motor, you have a much better powerband, you don’t have the added weight and complexity of the turbo system, etc…
It makes sense to turbocharge only when you are limited in terms of displacement. The reason why turbo powerplants are common in motorsports is that a LOT of motorsports regulates displacement.
It may cost a bit more to swap in an LS1 than an SR/CA/RB+boltons or go KA-T, but you get far more reliable power, and that difference will be MOST noticeable on the track, and most noticeable during events where endurance is key, such as GT racing.
i dunno… you could easily build a reliable turbo car to compete in a variety of classes both in the scca and casc events…
yes n/a is slightly more simple… but really… it takes just as much effort in the long run.
GT
You can’t make this statement and then compare an LS1 to a Turbo 2.0l motor
If you want to make the statement above you need to prove that a 2.0l motor in N/A form is more relaible than the same 2.0l motor in turbo form…when they both produce the same power. This…I don’t think you will be able to do.
hands down NA is more reliable than turbo…
i am actually doing a LS1 swap as we speak
call it what you want…it will smoke
Again - you can’t compare a STOCK LS1 in N/A form to your previous turbo’d KA24. You’re KA was tweaked well beyond it’s intended purpose and was subjected to far more stress than your LS1 will be. The LS1 may be YOUR most reliable/practical method of getting 400rwhp but that does not mean that N/A > TURBO
I still contend that given a horsepower goal of XXXwhp…a turbo motor will make that power more easily and more relaibly then making that power, on the same motor, naturally aspirated.
No, I totally agree with you that you can’t compare a 2 liter turbo to a 5.7L N/A, but comparing turbo and n/a motors of the same displacement isn’t really fair either.
I used to hate on V8’s and domestics because I believed in hp/L ratios. Now I find it’s much better to go by power to weight ratios. If you take power to weight in consideration, an LS1 is about the same as an SR20DET, if not better. That’s why I feel that on those terms, it’s actually a pretty decent comparison.
However on a hp/$ comparison LS1 still loses, which is why it isn’t for everyone.
the only reason they chose an s13 is weight… every mustang/camaro/firechicken whatever domestic poop they bring is twice as heavy
uhhh 1990 mustang weighted 2775lbs in coupe form and 2834lbs in hatch form. 240’s are 2699lbs coupes and 2730lbs for hatches. thats at most a 135lbs difference. thats not really that much, find a skinny driver and some carbon fiber their the almost same as a 240.
there have been a couple imports on Pinks. There was the FC Rx-7 vs. the pink hasport civic. There was one with a turbo civic vs. a fire chicken, Hasport was on it again with a crx vs. a VW bug. SO there have been some but most have been honda. They need some more variety.
I believe there is a contract between pinks and the competitors before an episode is taped. Competing shops agree on specs, safety requirements, etc then each shop gets to pick their chassis/bolt-ons and tuning methods… I don’t think they have to agree beforehand on the car they will be building.
In terms of people wanting to see more imports, it’s all up to the shop owners…
uhhh 1990 mustang weighted 2775lbs in coupe form and 2834lbs in hatch form. 240’s are 2699lbs coupes and 2730lbs for hatches. thats at most a 135lbs difference. thats not really that much, find a skinny driver and some carbon fiber their the almost same as a 240.[/quote]
When it comes to drag racing, that’s a pretty big difference.
B-Wurm
uhhh 1990 mustang weighted 2775lbs in coupe form and 2834lbs in hatch form. 240’s are 2699lbs coupes and 2730lbs for hatches. thats at most a 135lbs difference. thats not really that much, find a skinny driver and some carbon fiber their the almost same as a 240.[/quote]
When it comes to drag racing, that’s a pretty big difference.
B-Wurm :D[/quote]
it’s more than that… you can bet they were both lightened cars, and the way the 240sx sat the suspension was nothing like the original, possibly much lighter, and if it was back-half’ed they could have dropped several hundred pounds easy
a z32 chassis alone with nothing bolted onto it, no wires no interior or glass is over 1650lbs… sasha got his s14 down to 2300 without radical cutting, his doors are pretty light though