nope
Media’s not there anymore?? I loved that little son bitch lol
no, he doesnt work there anymore really, hes around sometimes, and was in on the TT install but thats about it.
No shit. That sucks
what I want to know is why is Vengeance racing (their a HUGE company) on ls1tech calling out redline on false numbers in the article?
ohh boy.
no im jw, not trying to be a dick about it. Just seem’s on the fishy side that a huge company is saying different then another
might be as simple as the mazagine editor error.
The dyno graphs are posted…I don’t know how you would mess up the numbers without photo shopping them?
the dyno sheet doesnt lie, how the real story goes is, after the cam install Howard tuned it on the razors edge to see what a “cam only” ls3 would make, Jon got happy and told everyone the amazing #'s it made 490’s!!! But as we all know, howard DOES NOT tune to the edge and he made it where he felt was safe, b/c jon is gonna beat on it, so he did “detune” and made 15 less rwhp. Basically what it boiled down to was Jon was over excited and should have waited to tell vengance the #'s it made until Howard was done.
yah I dunno. The ls1tech thread is updated with alot of shit from Vengence. 2 different things going on
gay drama
you liar, you didnt “keep” getting messages from me. i sent you one, ONE!
redline did the work, redline tuned it why the fuck does this vengance racing guy think he deserves all kinds of credit??? The article was about a ls3 wcch head install, not about who came up w/ the cam specs.
Hes probably mad because alot of the power came from the cam they choose. The heads made a decent amount of power but the cam is what helped them make that much power. I dont know the whole back round but there must be a reason they are getting so butt hurt about not getting mentioned
The article was from Stock C6 Power, detail about every power mod added up until the heads. The article was about everything/.
can i have cliffs please?
sure…
This is the Owner of Vengeance racing…Name is Ron…
"John/Howard,
Let me start by saying Im not upset, nor am I having a bad day… Apperantly there is alot of miscommunication going on and I THOUGHT everything was straightened out. Howard you and I did have a nice conversation a week or so ago. What I got from that conversation was that you guys pushed real hard for Vengeance and Nitrous Outlet to be included in the article, but Scott edited it. You then went on to tell me that you would be posting on Corvette Forum about the article and you would be sure to mention us then as the camshaft worked out so well. In the end we were all happy and I agreed I would send any customers in your neck of the woods to your place for installs… I think we can all pretty much agree on everything above?
Now, where my problem lies is the email below from John after installing the camshaft he ordered from Vengeance…"
…
------alot of convo’s posted between ron and john…
"Now, as you can see there are several points in the email above that would lead me to be confused at this point…I high lighted them in bold in case you are confused.
Now, you tell me you “detuned” the car as you were just pushing it on the dyno to make a #… No mention of that from John… Seems he is pulling crotch rockets on the highway with your tuning…
The mention of including Vengeance and Nitrous Outlet in the article two times in this email also places a bit of confusion as there was no mention… The cam was referred to the “lumpy camshaft”
After our phone conversation (which I did not lie about John as you will see below) you followed up with this series of email exchanges…"
-----More convo’s…
“So after getting these emails from you it seemed the power was legit and no mention of “detuning” the car for street use. It also seems clear that you “werent sure” of the peak #s but they were in the 490s… It also seems like you were going to mention the power the Vengeance cam made and we were going to " tag” the posts together in an effort to give both shops a bit of exposure off of a well thought out combo."
------and more…
"So again, it seems as if you guys made every attempt to mention Vengeance, but now you tell me that the article wasnt about the cam and you didnt mention anyone but WCCH?
Since Jon offered for me to post our email conversations I have no problem doing so validating my point… I will not post Scotts reply to my email without his permission, but I will say that he had zero knowledge the camshaft came from Vengeance Racing.
Im truly sorry to derail this thread. That was not my intention. I thought there was a bit moe integrity involved here than there really is.
Best of luck to you guys in the future."
-----the emails are in the LS1tech post…Now Scott the editor of the magazine is chiming in on it and its really a big mess.
um…seems to me people are just bitching for the sake of bitching
yah a little bit
qft