I dont care what others do to their cars, I just think its so stupid to put time/money into a car you “love” just to purposely destroy it. My first TL was slammed, didnt scrape really anywhere, and I could still drive it like normal. The whole bigger/wider/lower/more camber thing is just a dick swinging contest lol Anything over like 2-3 degrees neg camber is derp on a street car.