I’m not looking to start a two sided argument, I just would like to see everyones view on it. In my own personal experience, admitably not a full complete view of it, I feel it’s selfish.
Call me a dick or such, but if you don’t believe life is worth it, then go ahead and try death. At least you can amend mistakes in life, death is a one time deal.
“Yes, they may have had an emotional or mental disability, but 99.9% of the time it plays no role in the death”
thats about the most incorrect and ignorant statement I have ever read, the vast majority of people who commit suicide are suffering from a form of emotional or mental disability (drug and alcohol dependency falls under this also)
you make it seem like 99.9% of people commit suicide out of spite
“I’ve known quite a few people that have committed suicide, and seeing what is left in the wake”
honestly man you need to get educated on the topic and talk to a professional , your attitude shows you harbor alot of resentment over the issue of suicide and understanding the mechanism of it would benefit you greatly
You’re confusing an emotional disorder with a mental disability.
You’re right though, majoring K-12 education with a minor in special education/special need students is probably the wrong field of study for what were talking about. It’s not like the highest suicide rate is of adolescents 15-24.
I’m not gonna sit here and argue with you over something YOU don’t know about.
yeah you got me, I only work for NY state in the human service field serving people with mental and emotional disabilities…
per wikipedia on the topic of Suicide -
Mental illness
See also: Depression (differential diagnoses)
Mental disorders are frequently present at the time of suicide with estimates from 87%[11] to 98%.[12] When broken down into type mood disorders are present in 30%, substance abuse in 18%, schizophrenia in 14%, and personality disorders in 13.0% of suicides.[12] About 5% of people with schizophrenia die of suicide.[13] Depression, one of the most commonly diagnosed psychiatric disorders[14][15] is being diagnosed in increasing numbers in various segments of the population worldwide,[16][17] and is often a precipitating factor in suicide. Depression in the United States alone affects 17.6 million Americans each year or 1 in 6 people. Within the next twenty years depression is expected to become the second leading cause of disability worldwide and the leading cause in high-income nations, including the United States.
In approximately 75% of completed suicides the individuals had seen a physician within the prior year before their death, 45%-66% within the prior month. Approximately 33% - 41% of those who completed suicide had contact with mental health services in the prior year, 20% within the prior month.[18][19][20][21][22]
Conservative estimates are, that 10% of all psychological symptoms may be due to medical reasons,[23] with the results of one study, suggesting that about 50% of individuals with a serious mental illness have general medical conditions that are largely undiagnosed and untreated and may cause or exacerbate psychiatric symptoms (Rothbard AB,et al. 2009)[24
Lol, did you just copy and paste that without reading? I’m not arguing your knowledge on it, I’m merely saying that your views are just as skewed as mine are. Coming from the education side, I’m not moving on my view. It’s selfish and unexcusable, it’s preventable, plain and simply put.
That being said, look at your numbers you copied from wikipedia, disorder…not disability. Disorders as you know, are not the same as disabilities. 87% of those suicide cowards had a disorder. Okay, so they were suffering from depression, a socioeconomic disorder, without going into the whole “is depression a real medical symptom” debate, I feel that if someone is depressed, they will show some sort of sign, even if that is drug abuse.
Idk, I’m not gonna sit here and debate on every issue here. Fact of the matter is that there’s no answer to my question. Just opinions, and you know the saying…
I hope education triumphs ignorance at some point, in the mean time you should reconsider choice of careers
the only thing selfish in this thread is your views…
trolling this topic to add your 2 cents is no better than people who protest at military funerals
The only time I feel that it is justified is when someone is terminally ill, and is in obvious and constant pain. A situation where their medical insurance can’t prescribe them enough pain killers to ease the suffering. Sort of like a Kervorkian situation.
Yeah yeah yeah, you keep preaching from your soapbox there, chief.
just saying, its tasteless
downshifting into 1st at 100mph while street racing Neons is stupid! anyone else agree??
Tasteless no, opinionated of course.
What does this have to do with suicide? This was an accident from someone who many people on this board know well, and was only because he did not know the car well.
I actually do agree with what you said there. To me it seems much more selfish to make someone keep living a miserable existence to make someone else happy, than it is for someone who is miserable to take their own life and make the people around them sad. But that’s just my opinion.
No more valid that anything anyone else said. Especially the last one, I fail to see any correlation to that and what he said.
Jumping on a nade to save friends - Not suicide.
Strapping a grenade on yourself to kill everyone - Suicide.
Mental Illness… what a fucking joke. You guys make it seem like the pharmaceutical companies aren’t running the show, and everyone has ADD, ADHD or any other combination of mental disorder that has a blanket policy applied regardless of upbringing. The testing to determine ADD/ADHD has nothing to do with their environment, home life, upbringing… it is simply reporting the current state of the individual and throwing medication at it. I truly believe most cases of ADD/ADHD could have been completely avoided, and the child/adolescent is too far gone by the time they are diagnosed to cure without medication, not that medication is a cure.
Someone mentally ill enough to not want to live, doesn’t deserve to live. I’m on the “unplug me if I’m a cucumber” list… but my organs will be harvested and I won’t be found fetal in a tub or hanging inside a closet.
this. once someone takes the million year nap it’s time to be sensitive and show respect to their survivors, regardless of what happened.
maybe people should be more concerned about the enigma of what’s after and less concerned about how someone else chose to leave their mortal coil.
While slightly off topic, I agree with some of this.
That having been said, at this rate this thread is really going to need a lock. Unless people can keep things civil, this is going to devolve into something completely irrelevant to the topic at hand pretty quickly.
Wow… so a proven chemical brain imbalance is a joke? So is cancer a joke? Is heart disease? Mental illness is exactly the same… the pharmeceutical companies have a hand in every disease/disorder known to man… ADD and ADHD is far different from clinical depression and bipolar disorder, which most often lead to suicide.
What most of you fail to recognize is that someone who considers suicide isn’t doing so because they want to die. The amount of pain they are experiencing is simply greater, in their eyes, than the ability and resources they have to cope with it.
Which is why they suck at life.
As far as an imbalance in brain chemicals… you’re not talking facts now. Hop on WebMD… it is still completely hypothetical, and not fact. Most of the scientific findings were post Ritalin… and therefore invalid. Like your argument.
+1 for jack’s first response. give the organs to someone who wants to live.
suicide is selfish!
I’m not talking facts? If WebMD is your source, you obviously have no idea about facts… That’s like basing your argument on wikipedia… And how is that why they “suck at life”? Please explain your comment, because that seems like your own opinion, and not anything related to fact, if you feel facts are so important…
As someone who has lost a loved one to suicide, as well as someone who has battled with severe depression all her life, until you have experienced it, you have aboslutely no right to talk…
dont ya know those peeps are just weak sauce
must be all those peeps just need to man up and stop supporting drug companies
shit isnt real y0!