2013 JD Power Problems per 100 Survey

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J.D. Power and Associates 2013 U.S. Initial Quality Study
2013 ranking (problems per 100 vehicles)
Porsche
80
GMC
90
Lexus
94
Infiniti
95
Chevrolet
97
Acura
102
Toyota
102
Honda
103
Jaguar
104
Hyundai
106
Kia
106
Mercedes-Benz
106
Audi
108
Cadillac
108
Buick
109
Chrysler
109
Lincoln
113
Industry Average
113
BMW
114
Volvo
114
Smart
115
Land Rover
116
Jeep
118
Volkswagen
120
Mazda
125
Subaru
128
Dodge
130
Ford
131
Ram
132
MINI
135
Nissan
142
Mitsubishi
148
Fiat
154
Scion
161

I can’t believe no one has had any comments on this!! Where are the long winded multi-referenced theses from JayS and LZ?!

:lol:

No fucks I was busy arguing C7 corvette interior quality in another thread.

I just realized there were numbers next to makes. My screen is wide and I couldn’t see them, lol. Let me see if I can fix the formatting.

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Formatting fixed. And this is why NO ONE should put ANY stock in these numbers:

Raffi Festekjian, J. D. Power’s director of automotive product research, explains that the IQS was designed to capture “things gone wrong” with a vehicle. Each one is called a “problem,” and it can be “either a fault in the assembly of the vehicle or a design issue.” A fault might be a poorly assembled door panel or a loose electrical connection, while a design issue is something that a customer doesn’t like—a multifunction cruise-control stalk, for example—even though the item is performing exactly as intended.

Examples:

  • BMW gained “problems” when people hated the new cruise control button locations
  • Ford gained “problems” when people were confused by My-Touch
  • Porsche gained “problems” when people complained about brake dust

There are more extensive lists out there.

But I take it a different way. The manufacturer’s customers are happier with the vehicle because they like the way it is designed, the way it operates and nothing has broken. Any manufacturer can build a vehicle that doesn’t break but it is extremely difficult to have any style or functionality. It also works the other way. The combination of design, function and reliability is what is so hard to achieve.

Formatting fixed. And this is why NO ONE should put ANY stock in these numbers:

Examples:

  • BMW gained “problems” when people hated the new cruise control button locations
  • Ford gained “problems” when people were confused by My-Touch
  • Porsche gained “problems” when people complained about brake dust

There are more extensive lists out there.

Bingo. Solid reasoning why Lexus is at the top of the list and Scion is at the bottom… 90% user error.

It’s subjective, not objective. Someone’s personal preference about a vehicle (again, even if nothing is wrong or broken at all) is being used in a general sense to say one brand has higher “quality” over another.

If they could separate out the subjective and focus on the objective (Brand X’s motor leaks oil, windows won’t go up or even dashboard cracks when exposed to sunlight) then I could see this as something more than a marketing device. But in my opinion, knowing how few consumers actually take the time to understand their vehicles, I can’t take this seriously at all. I certainly don’t want to make a purchase decision based on input from the guy who thinks his Porsche’s brakes make too much dust, and who totally ignores the fact that the best pads were chosen by an engineer for that specific vehicle application. Or on the flip side, the guy who’s driven GM trucks all his life and doesn’t complain about his truck’s interior not because it works better than another brand, but because GM simply hasn’t changed it from what he’s used to.

I have no dog in this hunt, so we can agree to disagree :slight_smile:

Gimme dat porsche

Ok, I’ll buy what you’re selling. :slight_smile:

best response. /thread.

I just had an Impala rental while the Murano was getting a new rear bumper cover and I have a theory on GM’s rise. When you’ve lowered your standards so low that the Impala is an acceptable vehicle I really doubt you’re going to complain about anything. I spent about 20 minutes just looking the car over trying to figure out how anyone could look at any of it’s competitors and still buy the Impala. If you’re that guy who thinks that Impala is good I can’t even begin to imagine how bad something would have to be to get you to complain to the dealer. I’m guessing as long as the car doesn’t crush your testicles every time you start it you’ll consider it just fine.

:rofl:

My work changed my work van from a 08 chevy express to a 2013 ford E250 and I could make a mile long list of why it is the biggest POS I have ever driven and why the interior makes no sense. I have over a quarter million miles in chevy express vans and I try so hard to be subjective because I have been around them so long but I REALLY FUCKING HATE MY FORD VAN. I even discard the fact that the transmission failed at 86 (yes 000089) miles in the ford because “shit happens”

edit: the point of my rant is the ford would have lost many marks if I was in the survey

I am glad I have two Lexus Vehicles :slight_smile:

My Buick Enclave was the biggest piece of 50k shit $ could buy. 4 Transmissions (1 Original, 1 GM Crate & 2 Rebuilds, Traded it in while it was in need of #5) and the best GM could offer me was a free Oil Change.

I lol’d pretty hard