Probably the same people who think the biggest injector is the best.
fggt ass pussies. i dont even run wastegates on my car. i like to let the turbo be free like a bird.lol
but seriously, i run a 38. and even though i plan on runnin a 42r im still sticking with my 38mm.
single 38 with a 42r? my guess is only will be ran on race gas and high boost
38mm is vband now… baller
Do you think that you can only run high boost with a single 38 on 42r set-up?
Newman, i feel your pain, but fuck em and keep making cool shit. Its worth it for the few car-smart people who understand.
it would all depend on the manifold, the exh housing, what the car is revd to etc, no way would it hold on a 4 cylinder, especially one that revs really high
there really are too many factors, but there is not one bad thing about having a bigger wastegate than needed to keep the boost under control (except cost and space restrictions)
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The smallest possible WG will have the most accurate control of boost.
internal wastegate are the hotness
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO AGREES WITH THIS?
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hey newman how come u dont run quad 44mm wg’s, 1 for each cyl. Or sext-44mm gates
within a certain paremeter, but on average the larger wg will give you a broader range and more flexibility for shitty designed manifolds
difference between 38mm and 44mm control is negligable on most t3/4 turbo (except where needed because of creep), or atleast the 20+ ones ive built/owned
Haha this went from being a joke/rant to being a solid informative thread.
things where bigger (then you actually need) isnt really better
wastegate, blow off valve, injectors, maf, throttle body, exhaust tubing
oversizing any of those items is like installing a garage door in your living room just so your dog can let himself in / out when he pleases
http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71054
I stated this thread a while ago in the tech section, and I’ve been saying for a long time that bigger is not always better. This article had alot of really good explanations and info in it. Good explanation on why the 034Motorsport guys running a 42R on a 5cyl 20vt Audi motor with a siqqqqq 60mm tial had more problems controlling boost with that as opposed to the stock Audi external gates from 1993.
The 44 is a pretty good compromise, and vbands are fucking awesome.
I only ran into creep issues w/my 38mm if I was running ~15lbs – new manifold setup came w/a 44mm v-band and WG… else I woulda kept my old 38.
I’m sure you realize, but you’re splitting hairs. To say that a 44mm is needed is certainly not true for most cars, but you can control boost within a barely measurable range using one. How restrictive your exhaust housing is will play into it too. The WG size for a .63 housing on a 35R will act differently than a 1.06 housing on the same setup.
Is 44mm needed for most of us; undoubtedly no. I needed one to make up for my small penis. :rant:
depending… just for sake of information i agree with the maf and throttle body,
the wastegate is negligable unless your talking about someone running a 60mm wg on a 14b turbo
injectors- pretty much any decent engine management these days can idle a 1000cc injector like stock (incase of the bosch injectors better than most stock cars)
exhaust size- if a 2.0L na honda can gain 10whp from a 2.5" to a 3" change then i would disagree on this also… especially with a turbo i have yet to see a car lose power… is that bigger exhaust necessary? no but it does not hurt power (hence people running open header)
On a turbo car you can GAIN power by taking the exhaust off completely
over spun turbo?