End of Leasing?

Ford Motor Credit Co. said it will raise leasing prices on some models. The Dearborn, Mich.-based automaker also said that its credit arm took a $2.1 billion charge during the second quarter because of the drop in the residual values of used trucks and sport utility vehicles.

Foreign automakers haven’t been immune to the problems either. Honda recently took a $230 million charge because of the decline in value of leased vehicles returning to the company, while BMW AG took a similar, $372 million charge.

That’s interesting because I haven’t seen the decline in used car prices. Are used Honda’s and BMW’s really selling that much cheaper than they were 3 years ago?

Chrysler Gets a Jolt of Lease Traffic
By JEFF BENNETT and STEPHEN WISNEFSKI
August 1, 2008

A week ago Chrysler LLC announced its financial arm would stop offering leases on new cars and trucks, effective Friday. For some dealers, the move has sparked a boomlet.

“It has been a frenzy,” said Paul Steel, who runs three dealerships in Michigan, including Southfield Chrysler Jeep outside Detroit. “Everyone is trying to get in now on a three-year lease hoping that Chrysler Financial will get back in the game by the time their lease is done.” Mr. Steel has kept his dealerships open until midnight every night since Monday, and he expects his staff will be working until at least 2 a.m. Friday to process all the orders.

Golling Chrysler Jeep Dodge Inc., in Bloomfield Hills, Mich., more than tripled its business, selling 112 vehicles Monday and 96 Tuesday, said owner Bill Golling. The majority of sales were through leasing.

Down the road, the scaling back or elimination of leasing makes their job tougher at a time when U.S. auto sales already are at their lowest level in 15 years.

Without leases to lure customers, the Big Three auto makers could see more people defect to foreign auto makers such as Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. Leasing has been a favored method in Detroit of getting customers into more expensive cars and trucks than they could afford to buy themselves, as well as having people buy new vehicles every two or three years.

But it is a risky business because auto makers’ financing arms have to take back vehicles after leases expire, and then sell them to recoup some of their costs. Because high gas prices have depressed demand for used trucks and sport-utility vehicles, they are losing a lot on the trucks and SUVs they leased in the past few years.

GMAC LLC, which is partly owned by General Motors Corp., lost $717 million in its auto business in the second quarter as a result of bad leases. Since Chrysler said it was getting out of auto leasing, both Ford Motor Co. and GM have scaled back their leasing businesses, as have a few banks.

The end-of-month surge in sales prompted by Chrysler’s move should boost the auto maker’s sales for July, which will be reported Friday. Through the first six months, Chrysler’s U.S. sales were down 22%, the biggest drop of any major car manufacturer, as the company relies more than its peers on sales of trucks and SUVs. It also is helping dealers reduce their inventory of 2008 vehicles.

“I have got to get rid of this inventory and move out the 2008s and then we can figure out something for August sales,” Mr. Steel said. He has to sell about 500 vehicles alone at the Southfield location before he can start accepting Chrysler’s 2009 models, he said.

The jump in sales also may indicate that some people are buying sooner than they otherwise would have, suggesting sales in coming months could suffer. For auto dealers struggling with bloated inventories of trucks and SUVs, however, their first priority is moving the 2008 models off the lot before new models hit the showroom floor and before the current batch lose even more value.

My friends in Kitchner ON told me GMAC Canada wrote off something like $750 million because of the depreciation factor on lease turn in’s. I can’t imagine why the manufacturers don’t want to lease anymore…

I beleive that was GMAC as a whole:

Losses at GMAC’s mortgage lending division, ResCap, widened to $1.86 billion from $254 million, as a result of losses from asset sales. Meanwhile, GMAC’s automotive finance division swung to a loss of $717 million. The loss included a $716 million impairment charge resulting from lower used vehicle residual values, especially related to SUVs, GMAC said.

I see, that doesn’t seem so bad anymore:uhh:

To all U.S. Dealers:

As a follow up to my July 29 letter, regarding leasing, I wanted to update you on several things that have transpired this week. Chrysler has announced they are exiting leasing in the U.S. market. And many other manufacturers have announced that they plan on reducing their lease portfolios.

Yesterday, GMAC announced a second quarter loss of $2.5 billion including substantial lease residual impairment. This follows similar reports concerning lease impairment changes from finance companies associated with Ford, BMW, Nissan, and Honda.

Yeah it’s coming…

I like how they make it sound like the 2.5 billion is from leasing, while mortgage was almost 3/4s of the issue

i noticed that too

HSBC out of auto completely

http://www.fi-magazine.com/t_inside.cfm?action=news_pick&storyID=34100

Not just leasing, auto financing completely. No leases, no loans, no cars period.

yeah I corrected myself as you were pointing out my mistake

This stuff is crazy

Yeah, the leasing stuff seems like an overreaction but getting out of auto finance completely makes even less sense.

Oh well, all the better for my company I suppose. We write credit union software and as more and more big players get out of auto finance more and more people will start joining CU’s to get a good finance rate. Plus with no leasing more people will be looking for cheap loans.

I’d heard rumors of this milling about since at least a year ago though. fwiw

The auto finance thing was in the works for a long time. The higher ups cleaned house on the Household Finance side when subprime hit and finally had the chance to come in with bank people to take an objective look at which parts of their portfolio were worth keeping/growing and which were too risky and we need to get the hell away from.

How much risk is there in auto loan financing? Car insurance is mandated, you can choose who to lend to and base your interest rate on risk, and if they default you take back the car.

I understand the risk in leasing because you’re making an educated guess what the used car market will be like in 2-4 years for that model. Guess wrong and you’re screwed like GMAC.

repo is not exactly a cheap option, especially considering the high rate of unintentional damage done to the asset as well.

risk based pricing can lead you to be non competitive in pricing / terms.

You know how the “sub prime” mtg “victims” were bad underwriting approvals? Think about the 19 yr olds with 7 yr loans on Escalades rolling on $10k 30" rims…

etc

Enough that the higher ups in corporate decided there was more profit to be had putting the resources elsewhere. Probably emerging markets. They’re huge on being the first major player into new countries around here.

Auto Loans are upside down just like everything else. That is why every other state sells a ton of GAP insurance.
Banks only make there money at the end of the loan with tons of people not being able to make payments they are lossing plently of money.
After repo’ing a car they are not getting nearly what the customer had left in payments.

But the 19 year old wanting the 7 year loan on a Slade is easy enough to laugh right out of your bank based on his risk score. Or, slap him with a double digit interest rate and high enough down payment that he’s never upside down on the truck should you need to repo it.

I think Joe’s right. There is money to be made, but more money to be made elsewhere.

Now all of you go join credit unions so I get a bigger profit sharing check this year. :slight_smile: Seriously, CU’s are doing great right now as people flock to them because their big banks are doing he knee jerk reaction to the credit crisis and refusing to offer good loans to even qualfied borrowers.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/americas-credit-unions-secure-strong/story.aspx?guid={1BA71195-D4C2-4D71-A214-C050DC7D5C61}&dist=hppr