GM bankrupt!!???

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I think it is closer to 6,200, maybe lower now
and I thought Toyota was at 1,200 but I have to find it somewhere on my desk. Maybe it is in a box. I am not very organized.

But yes GM’s distribution is set up for a 40%+ market share.

Edit: My 1,200 Toyota number was from like 2001
Looks like 1,500 pretty close to actual

On the other hand 7,000 is not really close.
With the recent combinations of Pontiac Buick GMC dealers and stores closing the number of store fronts has declined pretty steadily. I am not going to post actuals, but my comment above is not going to mislead anyone.

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layoffs coming to tonawanda plant in Jan.
You heard it here first

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^Details?

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Are you really suprised though?
They slow production on cars, they won’t need many motors.

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Yesterday a woman called the radio and started bitching about how her husbands benefits were being taken from him at GM. She went on to say that he makes over $100,000. Then she kept bitching about healthcare and co-pays blah, blah, blah. When asked what her co-pay was she said it was $25 or $50 for emergency room. I almost crashed my car. This guy makes over $100,000 and his healthcare is paid for but he has to cough up 25 bucks and this chick is bitching?!?!? These people are so COMPLETELY out of touch it scares the hell out of me. When I hear things like that I can’t help but think we are doomed as a country.

I recently heard another couple saying they both worked there for like 30 years and were making six figures. They didn’t know how they would survive if they lost their jobs. What did you do with all that money you made?

We need cultural change more than ever.(Yeah, I know, broken record)

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Some Southerners against aid to GM: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27806336/

"Honda and Hyundai, Sessions said, “are building steadily, and they are progressing steadily” even though they are being hurt by the economic downturn just like the Big Three U.S. automakers of Ford, Chrysler and General Motors.

But Sessions said he visited the Honda plant in Alabama recently and the company is changing its assembly line from the fuel-hungry Odyssey minivan to the more efficient Accord sedan in response to the demand for more-efficient cars. “Those are the kinds of things a smart company does, so they are gaining market share,” he said.

I lol’d at fuel hungry odyssey…then I looked up its MPG, 17-25, Its not bad but its closer to an SUV than I thought…and what the same as a Corvette?

So the “city bus” style of hybrid for trucks/SUVs, Volt, Ecotech engines, that stuff I saw about a Pontiac G3? just fluffer? They have any kind of car from the crapbox to exotic, pretty diverse line.

How about that new Chevy Express 4500 Chassis? More strength, more payload, less weight, better fuel economy?

Out of the “big 3” I think GM is actually the only one with a clear plan for using less fuel in the near future. Chrysler has been passed around like a pack of smokes in a foxhole in recent years and Ford has had some nice concept vehicles…but that’s it right, just concept no production plans, I am ill informed about Ford though…I think that’s the problem too, misinformation.

the company I work for has bought 2 GM trucks, both a work horses, both are needed, couldn’t get away with just a Canyon/Colorado/S10 sized truck for what they do.

I don’t think product line should be on the table here, all companies are making great, competitive vehicles, its a matter of the “fat” the goes into producing it. Unions have a good and bad side, but it seems to me like the UAW has gotten carried away.

Sabres losing, I’m in a rant mood.

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I wish GM would wake up and build some more fuel efficient vehciles.
http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/12/08/30-mpg-cars/
I barely see any GM cars on that list.

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Get ready, because Waxman (D-Calif) just replaced Dingell (D-Mich) as Chair of the Senate Energy and Commerce Committee - and Waxman’s a BIG Global Warming kinda guy and pal of Pelosi. So that 50 mpg just might happen as a condition of any “bailout”.

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Huh? I hope that’s sarcasm…

7 Chevy models, 3 Pontiacs and 2 Saturns.
That’s 12 of the 51 listed, and the Volt’s been on the drawing board for the past few years.

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No GM should obliviously be offering more than 24% of all cars offered that get 30 MPG+.
I mean if they would just produce efficient cars the public would buy them.

Maybe if they would make an efficient full sized SUV or truck using some crazy technology with both a gas and electric engine, someone might buy that.

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:frowning: GM :tdown:

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Umm… first, the list was about cars, not trucks/SUV’s. Second, the Silverado/Sierra and Vue 2-mode hybrids are due out shortly. Besides, the Tahoe hybrid was/is a flop - much like the Lexus LS600h. And despite $4/gal gas, hybrids still made up less than 3% of overall vehicle sales in the US this past year.

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Cause there expensive as fuck

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Bipartisan deal reached on aid for automakers

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/bipartisan-deal-reached-aid-automakers/story.aspx?guid={FC638630-7CB7-4C21-9BA5-732071AD4DCB}&siteid=yhoof

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YES, we need more CTS-V’s :roflpicard:

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Meanwhile, helping the automakers is proving unpopular with voters. Nearly half of U.S. voters – 48% – say it is better for the economy to let companies like GM fail rather than providing government subsidies to keep them in business, according to a Rasmussen Reports poll released Thursday.

why is this not surprising?

I’m all in favor of them bailing them out, but ONLY if they ditch the UAW

of course, none of the pansies in the senate have the balls to even propose such a plan :tdown:

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I will have zero sympathy for any VETERAN WORKERS in the UAW that get laid off.

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I was trying to decide how long I could keep this going.
I work in the Ren Cen and my current job is pretty closely tied with GM. I am sorry if you missed the sarcasm in my posts.
Also, the Tahoe hybrid is doing pretty well now, after a horrible launch:
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/10/02/gm-moves-nearly-2-000-hybrids-in-september/

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Ouch, Im super anti American automakers as well, but the loss of jobs is a bit of a shame.

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I wonder if they don’t get bailed out and are really forced to go into chapter 11 if they would finally be able to screw the union out of their contracts and fix their problems…