yeah thats true in some ways. To me for the money, and car class they are in the loaded GTI and GLI have far superior fit and finish compared to Toyota and Honda. They all build good strong motors and tranny’s, aside from some of the vw autos. But the quality of the VWs when it comes to the ride, noises, it just feels like a more solid car. However the odds and end that break on them tie rods, wheel bearings, o2 sensors,maf sensors and the ountless others that go on VWs is a huge pain. Ive had my xB for 5 years, its been in 5 accidents and still to this day it has never been in the shop for a repair. It has 150k on it, ive done 1 set of brake pads, 3 air filters and oil changes every 6-8k miles. Also I havent done ANY of the routine maintenance thats in the book. The VW I just bought weve had for a little over a month and already had to do the wheel bearing, it has 70k on it. But all things aside if you just get in the 2 and drive them the VWs build is FAR superior.