I think schooled is way too strong, McCain def won the national security argument because of the “I have been and I have done” but Obama stood his ground that he would never make the mistake of going into another Iraq.
If McCain really wanted to get some brownie points with liberals he could have said that it was a mistake to go to Iraq but we are there and we are going to finish the job.
Since he doesn’t feel that Iraq was a mistake then he is more willing in my opinion to do it again in another country such as Iran. Remember “bomb, bomb, bommb,…bomb, bomb Iran”.
Have to agree on this one but even though Obama was using the “I would” I do not think this hurt him this much because I am interested what candidates are going to do as well as what they have done in the past.
On a side note I was at Founding Fathers last night on Edwards street for the debate and it was the first time I think I have ever seen a bar packed and barely anyone talking and just staring and listening to the debate. It was really cool to see
wat? #1 Mccain tried to shift the focus away from the actual issues of what he would do. Every argument he made in foreign policy was either “I’ve been to xxx” or “Barack doesn’t understand” . Obama tried to find middle ground and acknowledge where they agreed, Mccain just wanted to look like the guy who’s smarter than him is an idiot. Probably why the independents broke for Obama in scoring it big time. #2. Obama clearly called him out over how Iraq made us blow Afghanistan and he sidestepped it entirely #3. He was wrong about Iraq and still wants to escalate the mistake. How can people say the guy who was wrong did better on foreign policy than the guy who was right because he has more experience? #4. Democrats actually give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of us. This tends to help avoid a WW3. Republicans, not so much.
I won’t even get into the economy. A total domestic spending freeze, on everything except the stupid fucking war? Really, John? That oughta be great for the economy. And buy a new issue other than the pocket change earmarks that your VP likes so much.
To be honest I understand that it’s the topic of the day, but they shouldn’t have been asked about the deal that’s not even done yet. Had either of them mentioned actual policies that aren’t currently part of negotiations the process would have fallen apart in DC.
Nader is a fucking d-bag. He cost the dems the 2000 election and look what happened we got dumb ass Bush for 8 years.
If Nader and the Green party truly wanted to be a 3rd party in this country they should stop wasting time running for the presidency and focus thier efforts on state elections then, the congressional elections.
Good to see McCain had such a strong influence. All 8 reps from Arizona voted no.
At least every area congressman voted yes. I was going to chew out whatever poor schmuck they had answering the phones if someone voted no from WNY.
I know how much you all love Fox, but can anyone dispute this?
Team Bush, begging for regulation, and Barney Frank (democratic chairman of the house financial services committee) on tape saying there is nothing wrong with Fannie/Freddie and we actually need to get more under qualified people into homes.
I don’t haven’t made up my mind for the bail out yet, but I would like to know why it wasn’t passed. Interviews with the Republican leadership in the house said they didn’t like the shit Pelosi was saying and that it made for partisan bickering.
I’m sorry but you don’t reject a bill because you don’t like what the person said about you. You reject a bill because you don’t believe in it. Now I know the republicans have some general concerns with the bail out I just want them to list thier reasons why.
In the opening statement where they always thank the moderator it would be great to see Palin congratulate Ifil on getting her upcoming book published.
I didn’t like how at first she would keep going back to energy but she got away from doing that as the night went on.
Biden won it, but it wasn’t the ass whooping I was worried about after the Couric interview. Palin did what she needed to, which was repair her image. No one really expected her to win, but a lot were hoping for her to implode. Instead she came out well prepared, won a few of the points, and kept the tallies close enough to get the focus back on the top of the ticket.
I’m glad he held back on calling her out for a few things, but I hope the pundits do. She definitely did better than I thought. However, she really pissed me off with flat out ignoring a whole lot of the questions. He did some of hte same, but usually only when she gave a full-time response that had nothing to do with the questions asked. And ENOUGH ABOUT ENERGY AND TAX CUTS ALREADY!
That said, I think Biden kicked some serious ass in this debate and looked really presidential. Particularly in the foreign policy section, and talking about health care and education, he looked like the strong leader/commander in chief that people try to question Obama on. If it ever came down to it, he can definitely be an effective leader.