OFFICIAL: 2008 ELECTION THREAD

[JayS]

@StrokedZ28

Do you actually think Obama is going to become a terrorist or somthing?

No, I just think his links to Ayers, Wright and Acorn go a long way toward cutting through his eloquent speeches and getting to the heart of what he really stands for which are far leftist policies.

EDIT:

There’s a reason I’ve been pretty inactive in these political threads here lately. Reading through and seeing all the really uneducated posts (from both sides) it’s clearly a waste of time to talk politics on NYSpeed. I wouldn’t mind having beers with a few of the people on here on both sides, but the vast majority fall into that “undecided voter” idiot column that are unfortunately going to decide this election.

McCain simply can’t compete with the style of Obama with these voters. He couldn’t even convey one his greatest points last night. McCain brought up that Obama was the first president to talk about raising corporate taxes when the economy was in this much trouble since Hoover. Ok, great, but he failed to drive the point home and explain to these people that Hoover’s decisions were the catalyst to turn a recession into the great depression. I seriously doubt the majority of undecided voters know enough about presidential history to know that, and a better speaker would have explained that to them.

It’s ironic that Hoover was a Republican, and all these years later a Democrat is about to be elected in the midst of another recession and implement the same policies of taxes and tariffs that may very well lead to another great depression. I wonder if we’ll get a Republican to give us fireside chats in 2012?

[Blue_Eyed_Devil]

@JayS

No, I just think his links to Ayers, Wright and Acorn go a long way toward cutting through his eloquent speeches and getting to the heart of what he really stands for which are far leftist policies.

“I am the great and wonderful Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain/styrofoam column”
:biglaugh:

[JoesTypeS]

@JayS

No, I just think his links to Ayers, Wright and Acorn go a long way toward cutting through his eloquent speeches and getting to the heart of what he really stands for which are far leftist policies.

The only link he has is to Wright. Have you even explored Ayers educational belief system?

[StrokedZ28]

@JayS

No, I just think his links to Ayers, Wright and Acorn go a long way toward cutting through his eloquent speeches and getting to the heart of what he really stands for which are far leftist policies.

Why don’t you explain what policies you think an Obama Administration is going to have because its looks like Obama is going to win this?

[Blue_Eyed_Devil]

So we should ignore this because it is all made up and just go to Barry’s website for the truth?
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,176757,00.html?wh=news

[Joe]

@JayS

EDIT:

There’s a reason I’ve been pretty inactive in these political threads here lately. Reading through and seeing all the really uneducated posts (from both sides) it’s clearly a waste of time to talk politics on NYSpeed. I wouldn’t mind having beers with a few of the people on here on both sides, but the vast majority fall into that “undecided voter” idiot column that are unfortunately going to decide this election.

McCain simply can’t compete with the style of Obama with these voters. He couldn’t even convey one his greatest points last night. McCain brought up that Obama was the first president to talk about raising corporate taxes when the economy was in this much trouble since Hoover. Ok, great, but he failed to drive the point home and explain to these people that Hoover’s decisions were the catalyst to turn a recession into the great depression. I seriously doubt the majority of undecided voters know enough about presidential history to know that, and a better speaker would have explained that to them.

It’s ironic that Hoover was a Republican, and all these years later a Democrat is about to be elected in the midst of another recession and implement the same policies of taxes and tariffs that may very well lead to another great depression. I wonder if we’ll get a Republican to give us fireside chats in 2012?

Clinton went in with the same economic doctrine and many of the same advisors, when the economy was in a rut in '92. 8 years of prosperity followed.

[Fry]

…The whole ACORN thing…

They have over 350,000 members. In the last 4 years, 15 members have gotten in trouble for voter registration fraud. I’ll be interested to see what unravels from the raids going on today, but unless they uncover some broad high level scheme my view of ACORN will be that it is just what this country needs: grass roots community and political movements trying to fix what the people see as problems. Oh, and 0.004% of their members have taken it too far.

How dare Obama have connections to a huge group working to improve this country that is 0.004% corrupt?!

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now

[A.J]

@Fry

…The whole ACORN thing…

They have over 350,000 members. In the last 4 years, 15 members have gotten in trouble for voter registration fraud. I’ll be interested to see what unravels from the raids going on today, but unless they uncover some broad high level scheme my view of ACORN will be that it is just what this country needs: grass roots community and political movements trying to fix what the people see as problems. Oh, and 0.004% of their members have taken it too far.

How dare Obama have connections to a huge group working to improve this country that is 0.004% corrupt?!

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - Wikipedia

Fry it is useless to try to convince these people that ACORN is not evil and it is actually a great organization. Flipping through the news today all these people bashing ACORN fail to mention these percentages and actually what it is that ACORN does.

[StrokedZ28]

@Fry

…The whole ACORN thing…

They have over 350,000 members. In the last 4 years, 15 members have gotten in trouble for voter registration fraud. I’ll be interested to see what unravels from the raids going on today, but unless they uncover some broad high level scheme my view of ACORN will be that it is just what this country needs: grass roots community and political movements trying to fix what the people see as problems. Oh, and 0.004% of their members have taken it too far.

How dare Obama have connections to a huge group working to improve this country that is 0.004% corrupt?!

Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - Wikipedia

:thankyou:

I thought this was important enough to simply post again. Thank you Fry.

+Karma

[JEG]

@JoesTypeS

Debate cliffs:

obama: if we can take bin laden out, and pakistan won’t help, we should take him out anyway.

McCain: obama just announced that he’s going to send tanks into pakistan the day he takes office! he’s horribly naive and a traitor for giving away military movements! me, i would coddle any terrorist that can find a willing country to harbor them! bin laden will be perfectly safe in islamabad as long as i’m president! oh, and i have a secret plan for ending bin laden’s life.

obama: if you make less than $250,000 a year, you’ll get a tax cut.

McCain: obama’s got like six tax proposals, i can’t keep them straight. first it’s a cut from anyone under $250,000. then it’s a hike for anyone over $250,000. then it’s a cut for 95% of the people. then it’s a hike for 5% of the people. then it’s only the poor and the middle class who get the tax cut. then it’s only the rich who get a tax hike. see, he keeps changing his position, just like jell-o, and we all know how evil jell-o is. but i’ll make it simple for you. obama’s tax cut plan was copied word for word from herbert hoover’s tax hike plan! he’ll single-handedly cause a repeat of the great depression! obama will hike taxes on all employers, who will then fire YOU! tax increases only work when i propose them, as in my health care plan. taxing employers on their health care benefits will cause the economy to boom; taxing employers on their profits will cause another great depression.

brokaw: as moderator, i have to inform you that you that i am powerless to stop you from going over the time limits.

obama: we’re going to have to prioritize.

McCain: i’ll solve all our problems before naptime on inauguration day. one of us up here is really lazy. hint: that one.

obama: i’d like to address the social security problem in my first term.

McCain: solving social security is easy-peasy! i just takes some bipartisanship, and i’m the bipartisanest guy there is! nobody gets bipartisaner then me! i’m so bipartisan i actually SAW ronald reagan and tip o’neill talk to each other! it doesn’t get more bipartisan than that! and all that bipartisanality means that social security is solved if i’m president! because you don’t need an actual PLAN to solve problems, you just need an agreement between the two parties. the mere act of agreement actually makes the social security fund solvent through eternity!

obama: george bush shouldn’t have called on america to go shopping after 9/11.

McCain: america needs to sacrifice earmarks. i’m a reformer. my party hates me. the other party hates me, too. independents hate me. everybody hates me. you should like me because i am universally hated. i once killed a big boondoggle of an earmark for the sole purpose of replacing it with an even bigger earmark. now that’s reform. there’s a lot of waste in defense spending, so i’m going to freeze all spending except for defense. and senate perks, can’t freeze that. wait, if i’m president, i won’t get senate perks anymore. can i take that back?

brokaw: thank you, both. now kindly move so i can see my teleprompter and awkwardly avoid shaking hands. good night.

what debate were you watching? You’re a fucking idiot.

[Joe]

wow jeg that was srsly so stupid.

srsly.

[Dr.Stevil]

@JEG

what debate were you watching? You’re a fucking idiot.

No shit, everyone knows Brokaw can’t pronounce words with “L” in them

[JEG]

@StrokedZ28

Fact Check from CNN:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/

Do you actually think Obama is going to become a terrorist or somthing? The only way they met was because of education grants for Chicago.

oh really? what about this?

In 1997, Obama Reviewed Ayers’ Book, A Kind And Just Parent: The Children Of Juvenile Court, In The Chicago Tribune, Calling It “A Searing And Timely Account Of The Juvenile Court System.” (Chicago Tribune, 12/21/97)
Yeah he ONLY knew him was from the education board they were both on :bloated:. I’d say he knew him quite well.

[Joe]

wat? because he reviewed his book? So was everyone who reviewed mein kampf a personal friend of Adolf’s?

[Blue_Eyed_Devil]

Sol Stern characterizes ACORN’s opposition to free trade, their support for price controls, and for the Community Reinvestment Act, as in line with the left wing of the Democratic Party, and claims they sometimes opt for “undisguised authoritarian socialism.”[36] Stanley Kurtz argues in National Review that “ACORN’s living-wage campaigns drive businesses out of the very neighborhoods where jobs are needed most. ACORN’s opposition to welfare reform only threatens to worsen the self-reinforcing cycle of urban poverty and family breakdown.” [37]

Just ignore this part, I guess.

[Fry]

@JEG

oh really? what about this?
[b] Yeah he ONLY knew him was from the education board they were both on :bloated:. I’d say he knew him quite well.

:picard:

Lets pretend that Obama and Ayers are close friends, and have been close friends for lets say 20 years…

So?

[Fry]

@Blue Eyed Devil

Sol Stern characterizes ACORN’s opposition to free trade, their support for price controls, and for the Community Reinvestment Act, as in line with the left wing of the Democratic Party, and claims they sometimes opt for “undisguised authoritarian socialism.”[36] Stanley Kurtz argues in National Review that “ACORN’s living-wage campaigns drive businesses out of the very neighborhoods where jobs are needed most. ACORN’s opposition to welfare reform only threatens to worsen the self-reinforcing cycle of urban poverty and family breakdown.” [37]

Just ignore this part, I guess.

In contrast, John Atlas argues in a Huffington Post editorial that ACORN has “accumulated many enemies” and has been “subjected to vicious attacks from business lobbyists, conservative politicians, and right-wing media.” This same source alleges that the George W. Bush administration has sought to harass ACORN with accusation of voter fraud.[40]

Just ignore that part too then? Besides, who cares about the “political perceptions” part. I much prefer to read facts and draw my own conclusions.

[Blue_Eyed_Devil]

@Fry

Just ignore that part too then? Besides, who cares about the “political perceptions” part. I much prefer to read facts and draw my own conclusions.

Well then I hope you aren’t just reading Wikipedia.

[Fry]

lol naw, but it tends to avoid the “hey that’s biased” crowd on here.

FWIW Acorn does seem to be a bit shady. :lol: I’m just playing Bue Eyed Devil’s advocate. Well, not exactly, but it’s still a funny play on words.

I’m interested to see what comes of the raids on Acorn’s offices.

[JEG]

@Fry

:picard:

Lets pretend that Obama and Ayers are close friends, and have been close friends for lets say 20 years…

So?

its the fact that he associates himself with radical socialists. Is that the type of person you want running this country?