don’t take the bait brooooo
I don’t agree.
The people who I met that are unemployable after college have something that those who are employable don’t have.
Laziness.
trade school is a viabale option. ever seen a poor plumer or hvac guy. also its hard to outsource those jobs to china
yes you’ll work your ass off for 10 years, but you’ll be fine after that
^^True but I guess the point is the college advantage is not what it once was with the amount of competetion, the huge cost, etc.
I have a good friend in HVAC and he makes more than 99.9% of NYSPEED. He does work hard and that is a big part of his success.
Edit: So true on the outsourcing too.
I went to Bentley University(located in Boston MA) and it ended up ranking 92nd on that one site.
Starting salary $51,400 Mid career $91,100 Meaningful job 41%
Would have to say its fairly accurate from my experience there and the jobs my friends got. My life goal is far beyond the mid career salary though.
Everything depends on what you make of it. If you work hard, learn the business, push yourself, etc… then you are probably the type of person who will succeed in anything you choose to do. Those are the types of folks that typically own their own hvac/plumbing businesses or get into managing job sites, etc… If you are lazy, show up and do the bare minimum, complain about your boss, etc… then yeah you’ll make the bare minimum and get only modest increases over time… That’s the same with ANY job, though. Trades or otherwise.
His point was going to college at one time guaranteed you a decent job.
Now a days lot of people graduate with debt and walk into a 30-40k a year job.
At the same time you could do HVAC/etc make similar if not more money and be in a lot less debt.
Regardless of your motivational drive to move up in your career
i was speaking more to the second sentence, but yeah i don’t disagree
It’s funny the reason I got my first computer job was I interviewed at a HVAC place to work on commercial stuff after the interview he told me he said I was to smart and got me an interview with his friends computer consulting company lol
I think the number one thing that screws up post college careers is people going to college because someone said “hey you need a degree” then getting something useless and not having the ability to spin it into something.
A lot of my friends got saved by virtue of family businesses or their parents connections
^Yep, all the kids who are going to college but don’t know why are usually just wasting their own (or parents) money.
100%
My coworker here has a recent graduate son, who got his degree in anthropology. He does commercial HVAC now. He told me that if he had to go back and do it again, that he would tell his son that he needed to provide a business plan for putting the degree to use in the real world and getting a return on the investment. Lesson learned, but too late.
My younger brother is going for archaeology, I bust him all the time. At least my degree is marketable somewhat. What the FUCK are you going to do with an archaeology degree?
absolutely nothing. that is a massive waste of 4 years
I mean if you want $XX,000 in debt you might as well develop a gambling problem. At least you have a chance of winning vs. an archaeology degree.
I will have a rule of thumb for my kids going to college. Since I’m assuming the cost of tuition will go up, but salary’s will remain stagnant for a while, the average starting salary better exceed 2 year’s worth tuition/expenses or I’m not paying for it. What’s the point of going in to debt if you didn’t prepare yourself to get out of it?
The comment about a BS being equal to an AS years ago is spot on. I’ve just started my job search (GM closing up shop here) and I’m over qualified for the jobs looking for someone with a BS, but underqualified for everything else. No man’s land…
Or is it less advantageous because more useless people are obtaining college degrees (“Everyone else has one.” “Undecided College Junior”). I don’t know – the film shines light on some important topics.
Do we measure success by the amount of money one makes, or by how much they enjoy their life (work and personal)? I’ve met some pretty bitter rich people, but I’ve never met an unpleasant person who actually enjoys their work for the intrinsic value. Although it might be difficult to enjoy your work if you are subjected to eating Ramen for 30 years…
Some of my most pleasant days were spent making no money at all, but on a subject I felt passionate about. But, admittedly, I’m pretty crazy.
Not knocking education at all, the more education, in relative subjects, you have…the better…
But, I went to E.C.C for a little over a year… and about 3.5 years into my career I’m making… well, I don’t want to make people angry…
I’m a firm believer in, just because you have a degree in something doesn’t mean you’re getting a job you like or that pays well.
If your main classes revolve around Women studies 101 and you have a degree in pottery…well, sorrry, you may have just wasted 4 years of your life and a lot of money.
I had a girl act all smug to me at my old job. She was going to Canisus (sp?) to become a teacher. (Not knocking teachers, we need teachers and I respect them) BUT, she’s paying 40k a year for six years… She’s going to graduate with a MORTGAGE payment in student debt and start off making 40k a year.
I went to E.C.C with plans of transfering to Buff State after two years… I paid for my schooling up front. I now have an excellent career and no student debt. I’m by no means saying I’m a highly educated person, but, I think I’ve done well (with some luck on my side)
Do we measure by money or happiness is a whole different question, This thread is about pay-scale though. Money does not equal happiness, that is for sure. Money can provide temporary distractions to people who are not happy however. If you have enough money you can fill most of the distraction gaps. 
Degree will help get you in the four but how hard out good of a worker is what will ultimately make you the money
According to that site I get paid more than 99%
This is what I don’t understand. My ex graduated with a degree in business management, has 70k in loans and works as a manager as DSW. What a fucking waste. I only have ~15k in loans luckily, I’d be even more pissed had I wasted it as some “REAL” college.