LOL @ 40k year schools, if you get a scholarship wonderlful, but wtf are people thinking
Back in 06 when I had just started out one of the engineering students that dropped out took his strudent loan money and went to the caribbean. Probably bought a mansion for 7$ and never came back
I am going to give my daughter a choice between $200000 worth of college or a $200000 house in a state with no or low taxes. 
SUNY College at Buffalo- Northeast State Schools- $36,700 -$60,300 -27%
5 years into my career WITHOUT graduating from this school and im well ahead of the curve.
Its always going to depend on what you (think) you want to do. You arent going to become a doctor/lawyer/scientist without college. If you dont really know what you want to do for the next 50-60 years, college may not be for you.
THIS
but some people’s parents hammer on them “YOU’RE FUCKING GOING TO COLLEGE, NO IF’S/AND’S/OR BUT’S ABOUT IT!” and then they get some bullshit degree or spend the first two years “undecided” and then finish out with something useless like a math major or history major.
I’m super fortunate to be one of those people that have known what I wanted to do since I was a little kid, and I never changed my mind about it or second guessed it so I just pushed ahead to obtain my goals and here I am.
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Once upon a time it was oh hey I have a degree I will get a great job right out of college not so much anymore.
If someone wants to commit time/effort/money doctor/lawyer is always a win
Computers are probably an exception to the rule. Lots of companies will hire people more based on experience, regardless if they have an unrelated degree.
Eh
Lots of big companies have shitty HR departments who have old standards of no degree = no job.
However this is changing and now most companies have a policy of 4-6 experience is equivalent to a 4 year degree.
I know with federal/dod contracts with out a degree they subtract 6 or 7 years from your work experience.
People are starting to realize most colleges don’t turn out employees that can hit the ground running in sys admin, network admin, security, and even programming.
I think this falls back knowing what you want to do before you jump into a program I wouldn’t suggest UB for computer related classes however I would highly suggest RIT…I think this is part of that “oh I have a degree now give me a job” thing schools all tried to jump on board and build high tech computer training which was epic fail a lot of the time.
RIT has a internship program and gets their students hooked up with a lot of great companies which usually turns into careers.
I’m just holding out until I can marry someone with money.
I have no problem getting a real life education as Mr. Mom.
Yeah, I wasn’t so much saying apply for Network Administrator with a bachelors in liberal arts, but basically start low with an associates or bachelors, then move up the food chain with experience. You can definitely get Senior level jobs in IT that don’t reflect your degree. My brother-in-law is a Systems Administrator with a Criminal Justice degree.
That’s why I’m New Hampshire for the time being. Started a small business and renting for now. I’m saving a boat load by not paying state income tax!
I commend you.
No state income in Texas… LOVE it!
I can’t seem to get a job with my Masters in Basket weaving, but I do have a cell phone from my homie Obama.
I’d settle for a rich man even, someone like Elton John, 500M$ Later
You’d probably settle with me, for all the change in my cup holder.
As a UB graduate with a BS in Computer Science, I think you are wrong. I mean, I agree that a degree alone isn’t enough. HOWEVER, RIT is an expensive private school. You can get “hooked up” with good local companies on your own. You don’t need the school doing it for you. You just need to be motivated and NOT lazy. UB has resources for students to search for internships in their field. They just don’t coddle their students like babies. They expect you to be an Adult and be pro-active. I got a great job after graduation with only 2 weeks in the job market. Multiple offers as a matter of fact, to be a Sys Admin. A lot of that likely has to do with the multiple years of part time help desk, with ending that tenure as a Supervisor. It’s nice that RIT does a lot of the work for you, but that education also costs 5x what the state tuition is. On top of that, Computer Science curriculums are typically VERY similar school-to-school.
Point is, internships and relevant part time jobs are what you need to get an edge in the real world when you’re competing for jobs. Whether you do that on your own, or your school forces it down your throat doesn’t matter. But it’s unfair to say that a degree from UB isn’t worth the time/money and RIT is.
I mean, seriously, look at this:
UB Tution is less than $4,000/semester for a NY Resident. So ~ $8,000 per year Student Accounts - University at Buffalo
RIT Tuition is $32,000 a year! Tuition and Fees | Student Financial Services | RIT
That is over $100,000 for a 4 year degree. You really see value in making that suggestion to potential students?
^Agreed. Anyone in a technical field in college should be looking for internships. It helps you gain knowledge and “pad” the resume a bit. If you were to bypass college and go straight into a job, you’d learn the same things with hands on experience. I’ve learned more working helpdesk (probably similar to a System Admin) than I did in two years of school.
Internships go for ANYONE. My wife has a degree in Communication at UB. Dime a dozen degree. But she got internships EVERY semester for the last 2 years. She had a full-time offer before she even graduated. Her sister has the same degree, got no internships, and now she waits tables for a living.
Bottom line is this…
A degree is ONLY worth it if the ROI is worth it. Science, Medical, Engineering, etc.
Internships and out of school activities make a HUGE difference; every student who goes to college should do at least a couple (For me it was mandatory at RIT.)
A degree != a job upon graduation.
These are the things us as the parents of the next generation need to talk to and make sure that both us and our kids understand before we send them off to college or tech school.
I’ll be the first to say that I wish that I and my family knew what we know now before I went off to college. (First person in my family to go to college and earn a BS; the furthest anyone else got was an AS at Community College).
As for where I rank, I’m at the 51% point for my degree, experience, college, location, etc per that website. Nothing I can or will complain about one bit.
could you tell me more about industrial sales please?