Do any of you actually know what happens to you if you shoot an intruder in your house?
Can’t really answer with such a wide open question. However, look at the shooting in Amherst just a few months ago. Unarmed intruder shot dead by homeowner. Never even made it past the grand jury.
yes… they die… my wife and I live. end of story.
Common sense is absent in America.
“Lets outlaw the guns so only the outlaws will have guns” sounds legit to me.
"what you are supposed to do is call 911 while your being shot to death and raped and wait the 7 - 28 minute response time for them to never catch anyone.
They dont even fucking look, the whole system is flawed.
How long did bucky run for?
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To anwser what happens.
You get arrested.
you go to court, Bail is set at a million for murder.
Self defense, not guilty, you go home.
Family sues you for wrongful death, it gets thrown out.
You sue them back for mental anguish, lost wages, and court/lawyer fees then get paid.
its the american way
Same thing in canada, and they string you up on the back of a horse, cover you in syrup and rub sandpaper all over you.
I never understood this logic…I mean a Handgun is a gun. If you can’t prevent someone from entering your house/harming you and your family with a hand gun, you probably shouldn’t have one to start with. While I do agree a shotgun has a lot more stopping power and intimidation, A handgun should be able to kill or severely injure a person just the same. Hell even some of these 1,000+ FPS BB guns could kill someone.
its more like 7-28 seconds response time if ur in amherst
it is sad that they need to have a ruling in order to affirm something that is in our constituton…its almost as sad as congress having to write a bill saying that george w bush isnt aloud to have anyone tortured, (not like it mattered anyway because he used a signing statement on the bill to let everyone know that he wasnt going to abide by it which is an impeachable offense) but anyyywaaaaaay…ya
The reason they had to have a ruling is because it had not yet been incorporated against the states, therefor the states had no legal obligation to obey it. I personally like the fact that states still have at least a little bit of freedom from the federal government.
It’s more sad that everyone in this country don’t fully understand our legal system.
The places with gun bans, also happen to have the highest crime rates, something had to change.
Its sad that a so called right, and it is a fucking right, there in black and white, has to be affirmed by the SCOTUS because its the one right you can trample and get away wtih it.
While the war is far from won, it seems that we are moving forward. The sad fact is that laws are passed in days, effect people for years, and take decades to undo, even if they are blatently unconstitutional.
Prohibition was also added to the constitution…that worked out well :tup:
There are many Rights that had to be confirmed by the SCOTUS - and several that were taken away.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about - just search back for Plessy v. Ferguson, then Brown v. Board of Education. Both of which deal with something explicitly in the Constitution, namely “equal protection under the Law” from the 14th Amendment.
Otherwise, there’s Korematsu v. United States (1944), where in essence liberty was deprived on the basis of ethnic origin - in this case, Japanese-Americans. As a matter of fact, this ruling which allowed for the use of racial-based profiling by the government as a reason to confine prisoners HAS NOT BEEN OVERTURNED. So in this case, the SCOTUS has made racial profiling by the military Constitutional - which is arguably why Guantanamo can stay open.
So I would argue that there are many Rights that have been trampled in the past - not just the one enshrined in the Second Amendment. And yes, it does take the SCOTUS to rule on it - and that is also in the Constitution (Article III).
Oh, and BTW - perhaps people enacted the gun bans because they had the highest crime rates, rather than the reverse. People talk about D.C. crime vs. Alexandria, Va. - but I’d argue that this isn’t apples-to-apples. It’s like comparing Harlem to Westchester in terms of crime.
couldn’t agree more. HUGE :bigtup: to the supreme court for this one.
That definitely was the case in Chicago. The problem is the crime rate has only continued to get worse since the ban and it’s been in effect long enough now to realize it has not worked.
Here in lies the problem. Target and beyond!! A hand gun bullet (depending on the cal) will pass through the person you’re shooting, as well as a few walls. Also, if you miss, (cal. depending) the bullet will go through your house and possibly you into your neighbors house, potentially exacerbating the already cluster fucked situation. A shotgun with a low brass field load (used for small game hunting and target shooting) not only has tremendous stopping power, but it has minimal collateral damage since the energy transfer is spread out over a wider area.
Edit: I bought a CVA Optima Elite “stalker” edition 30-06 from Dicks sporting goods 2 weeks ago. Just have to fill out the background check form (takes 5 mins), they call it in to the FBI and if you pass you walk out with it. I walked in, 30 mins later, I walked out with the rifle and a box of Winchester Super X 180gr. 30-06 bullets.
That sucks, it takes me less time to buy a hand gun down here in GA.
Go to the box o truth web site, google it. I promise you that you will be surprised to see that a high power rifle round like .223 is safer for home defense than a pistol or shotgun. The shotgun is by far the WORST, as it penetrates many walls. The .223 fragments due to its high energy and stops fast as it passes through drywall, but the flying shot from a shot gun will decelerate only the front few pellets as they pass threw a wall, but the ones behind it will maintain all their energy and continue threw many walls before all the pellets get their turn at the front of the pack.
I curious what the PDX1 bonded I keep in my 9mm would do against the box-o-truth.
Reading comprehension > you…
From the site:
Notice that the #4 and #1 Buck penetrated 6 boards. In previous tests, 9mm, .45 ACP, and M-193 out of an AR all penetrated all 12 boards (of sheetrock)…
…Frankly, I was surprised that the shotgun did not penetrate more than it did. I had been led to believe that they penetrated more than a .223 rifle or a 9mm or .45 ACP. Such was not the case.
On the other hand:
Twelve pine boards (denser than sheetrock) will not stop a .223 round.
Yea, that site does show that, so I guess I eat crow on that.
there was a site that actually built walls at 5 foot distances, and it showed the shotty as being the worst.
The .223 was tumbling and yawing threw the box-o-truth, energy that would have been wasted between a larger gap while the shotty went straight and true. The result on real walls was so shocking to say it least.
…Frankly, I was surprised that the shotgun did not penetrate more than it did. I had been led to believe that they penetrated more than a .223 rifle or a 9mm or .45 ACP. Such was not the case.
Not the case with the close spacing here, but I gave up the site, and its indeed not showing what I wanted.
From the latest Gunsite newletter, (www.gunsite.net), posted with Ed Head’s permission:
Recently we have had the opportunity to set up some wall tests and we thought you might be interested in the results. In a wall test we build three walls, two interior and one exterior, as might be found in a typical home. We use wallboard, insulation and exterior siding. Next we space the walls out to about 21 feet apart, which might simulate the average distance across a room in a typical home. The walls are in a line so that we can shoot the first wall and then check for penetration across our “rooms” and into or through the remaining walls.
What we’re trying to do here is test ammunition and demonstrate what might be best for use in a home defense situation. The ideal ammunition would be that which would be effective against a bad guy but not likely to penetrate numerous walls, thus endangering others in the house or outside of the home. We’re also trying to dispel some myths, as there are a number of common misperceptions concerning what different ammunition will actually do under these circumstances.
We started with a 12 ga. Shotgun with an 18" barrel. From a distance of about 21 feet from the first wall, we fired a round of birdshot (#7 ½), a 9 pellet 00 buckshot load and a one ounce slug into the wall.
Next, we fired two .223 rounds into the wall, a 55 gr. Full metal jacket round, and a 55 gr. Jacketed soft point. These were fired from a 16" Colt LE6940 carbine.
We finished with a typical 9mm round, a 147 gr. jacketed hollow point, fired from a full size S&W M&P 9 pistol.
The birdshot round penetrated the first wall, producing a fist-sized hole. The second wall was speckled with a few pellets but none penetrated or stuck in the wall. The slug and 00 buckshot loads penetrated all three walls and exited our “house”.
The 55 gr. FMJ carbine round fully penetrated the first wall and a fragment of that bullet penetrated the front of the second wall without exiting the rear. In other words, the bullet was trapped in the second wall. The 55 gr. JSP round penetrated the first wall, leaving a ½ inch hole on the back side, and did not strike the second wall. We assume the bullet had disintegrated.
The 9mm JHP pistol round penetrated all three walls and exited the “house”.
Oh well, guns are fun, if you come into my house at night to do harm, you might not agree with that.
Where does the 7.62 fall into all of this? Say… 30 of them.
Maybe I’ll re-apply for my permit now.