I was reading another thread on another forum about the cars program and I pressed my argument about union auto workers again.
The unions are the problem, always were the problem always will be the problem. Now before a union humper comes in, or worse a worker, just ready some fast numbers.
200,000 people employed by the big 3 on average, its probabaly more, could be less due to economy whatever
union wage ranges between 30 - 70$ an hr, so lets call it 50$ an hr for arguments sake.
200,000 x 50 x 40 = $400,000,000 A WEEK, without benefits, overtime ect.
Now hire them all at a SANE WAGE.
200,000 x 15 x 40 = 120,000,000 a week
280,000,000 a week in savings, not counting over time, or benefits.
14,560,000,000 a year, in savings by not paying the union workers insane wages. Food for thought I guess.
Iv worked inside the plants myself.Those guys give unions a bad name period.To bad everyone bases the useless auto worker as the union standard.Most arent like that.They dont deserve the money at all.
Public employee unions piss me off no end. Worst thing about WNY, IMNSHO. As far as the big three, the management has a poor track record as well and the government had there own destructive role to play. But when the writing was on the wall, the unions persevered in their old mid 20th century ways and the rest is history.
Back to the public unions, their bad behavior exists because of their “bosses”, the Pols. We in turn elect them. It’s kind of a cluster fuck.
Im curious as to what union workers were makeing $70hr? lol. maybe for tripple time for working on a holiday. the average union worker made like mid to high $20’s. The skilled labor made low to mid $30s an hour.
What killed the big 3 was there pension plans. And thats not even what killed them, it was poor management of the NON union workers with there gigantic million dollar bonuses. You take one ceo’s bonus away you can pay 50 laborers for a year at 50k a year. So im realy missing your point. Union labor wages are a very small part of the problem but nice try.
the average union employee cost GM 74.xx and hour. Where if you look at the Toyota plants in the south they average employee costs them $48.xx and hour…
People keep blah blah blahing about the CEO bonus or wage, the fact that that is actually only a fraction of a percent of what union is costing GM
that price is because of retired employees collecting pensions and getting benefits. Thats not the current union workers fault. You realy think CEO’s deserve millions of dollars in bonuses with the constant decline of sales and shitty selections in vehicles? there is alot more at fault here then just a union guy making $26/hr. Nobody twisted anyones arms for competitive wages and a good pension plans. The big3 did it to themselves.
The union aimed for a lot including required annual raises, not merit based, especially well above average wages for nonskilled workers. It is not the CEOs that are killing the companies, it IS the union that is costing them. My favorite is when the unions refused to make any concessions when they asking them to take salary freezes to keep the company afloat. The shitty vehicles are a direct resault of the cost of union employees, and the money being taken from R&D and put towards them. There is no reason that someone that spends all day tightening the same four bolts should be making $26 an hour.
EDIT: And current union employees are directly to blame, they will be collecting the same benefits that current retirees are collecting, they are in no way a solution to the problem.