In light of the GM Strike and the recent union discussions we have had here…
Besides GM employees obvious hourly wages which has hit the spotlights ($25+/hr). Do you realize how much the benefits for being in the union also contributes to the overhead the company has to pay?
I won’t mention many details about this, however these are local union workers and their wages. Look at how much the overhead increases due to Union Benefits alone.
Now keep in mind, the UAW benefits are more costly then the non-UAW unions.
:fyi: THIS IS ONE WEEK, for 4 guys (+1 man for 1 day)
mind you, a lot of this money is set asside for purpose of paying the Union Worker when he is not employed or layed-off. UAW union workers recieve 95% of their total pay which includes NYS covering the $405/week for unenjoyment
So the true cost of an average UAW worker is roughly double their wage? Sounds about right. I wonder what goes into the liaibility calculation? I’m guessing liaibility per pay period, so that number does not include benefits collected by retiree’s.
Fuck! you turn bolts repeatedly…why do you deserve that kind of pay again?
Fighting for worker rights and safe conditions is good
Fighting for all kinds of benefits you don’t deserve because you are just greedy lazy fucks is bad.
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Boy, I am meant to e-argue with you today.
Its not about fighting for safety & protocols…
I’m close to two people who are on GM payroll. One current, one ~20 yrs retired. Based on 1st hand stories, media accounts, and a ton of 2nd & 3rd hand accounts from other friends / acquaintances, etc…
They are now, and have been greedy.
My favorite example:
A widow (42 yrs old) of a UAW / GM employee had her $18k cosmetic elective surgery covered in full.
Her husband had been dead (and there for not working) for 6 years… but The general laid out $18,000 for tits & liposuction.
And then, the union turns around and cries foul because GM management & shareholders want the union to foot SOME of its own legacy costs?
Don’t get too worked up. Won’t be long now before GM’s in Chapter 11 and the UAW has no pull. You can only bleed a stone for so long…
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I’ve been longing to see how the UAW & Chrysler relationship would pan out now that Chrysler is private…
And, for the record: I’m not trying to hate on the UAW, or be jealous. I just think that the Union has to be reasonable in this day & age. If they didn’t take a clue from the US Steel industry… :ohnoes:
We pay our union laborers and operators 19 and 24 dollars for every hour worked for their benefits. That is on top of what we pay them for a hourly wage.
I just think that the Union has to be reasonable in this day & age. If they didn’t take a clue from the US Steel industry… :ohnoes:
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+1 Our company spends 1.5 times as much to have a union worker as their salary. So, their pay isn’t even half the cost we spend to have them. Our union is however reasonable for the most part, and I am in no way comparing them to the idiocy of the UAW.
I’m amazed some people still think Unions are the way to go. I hated listening to the way people would complain at Toyota sometimes. It’s absolutely ridiculous.
One of the best things Toyota is doing right now, is keeping the UAW/CAW out of their shops.
Doesn’t look that bad to me. I guess it depends on what kind of revenue these guys can generate. I don’t understand how the employer is only paying $100 per week in taxes for 2200 in payroll. That doesn’t seem like it would cover the employer’s ss contribution, unless that would be part of the “benefits” number.
When I was in operations for a union shop, we had a contract billing rate just under 80 and a burden rate of just under 60. We did just fine. We offered a premium service and charged a premium price. We could have found cheaper labor, but we needed reliable high quality output.
EDIT: They were only paid in the high 20s/hr.
The UAW is unique and gives good unions a bad name.
The thing about unions that bothered me was that the lazy sack of shit who did terrible work earned the same rate as the guy who always went above and beyond. The only equalizer was who got laid off first.
Check out the worker’s comp, it’s about $2.31 per hour, welcome to NY.
The worker’s comp rates in NY were just lowered by about 20% which is great BUT, NY employers still pay waaaay more than other states.
Edit: Also keep in mind the work rules, you know like they can only work at half speed thusly killing efficiency.
UAW workers are not skilled laborers, thats a major part of the problem. Assembly work for the most part could be performed by a monkey, and your paying a wage that is hard for a well educated indivdual to achieve.
I am not anti union, I am for common fucking sense.
When you dig your claws into a company like that it raises costs across the board. Thus making your end product that much higher. Eventually you push yourself out of being competitive and when that happens you hurt sales and thus revenue which is where we are today with GM. Eventually they will file for bankruptcy because in a day and age and the cultural demands we have a company cannot do business like that and survive…trust me.
Successful comapanies rise and fall on the backs of the employees. An honest wage for an honest days work. It takes a company to supply a job to do and an employee to do that job to ensure that the company survives. You scratch my back, I scratch yours.
When things get soo lopsided like this you get problems as we are seeing. Where you have lazy employees who all they care about is their paycheck at the end of the week and not how they can help improve the company which employs them.
I think alot of people take that for granted. They take for granted the fact that they have to do their part and do it well to ensure that they have a company to work for who will pay them. If the employees don’t do a good job and the company fails then the employees are out of work. What then?
For those people who depend on these jobs because they never persued anything else in life and figured they had it made working for good ole GM!!! wooooooooohoooooooooooo …what happens when they are in debt up to their ears, have a family and all of a sudden don’t have a job, then can’t get a job anywhere near close to that pay because they don’t have an education or skill set…now they are used to living way outside their means and can’t make ends meet.
its up to management to insure that emloyees are empowered and motivated
to do their best work every day. management is non-union.
if your boss needs something done, but you cant do it because of a union contract, thats BS.
Everyone sure is bitching about unions causing all sorts of financial problems for various companies, but not once did I see anything mentioned about how upper management is grossly overpaid. Look at many of the companies who filed for bankruptcy protection and you will also see them asking judges to cut union salaries, pensions and benefits. Then they ask the same judge to allow them to offer bonuses and raises to keep the upper management. The workers suffer, ceo’s get rich and everyone complains about the unions being greedy. Blame both sides for the mess the US automakers are in right now. GM, Ford and Chrysler all signed those various contracts throughout the years. People bitch about American car quality, but who’s fault is it when an alternator goes bad in a couple of months-- the guy installing it on the assembly line or the wetback who built the thing in Mexico? Unions were started to protect workers from dangerous workplaces, harassment and discrimination from management,and to provide workers with fair wages and compensation for the job they do. Yes changes need to be made, but it should be by both sides.
