Time for a re-build......

Might as well update.
I pulled the pistons out, and they’re toast.
The P/N’s tell me that they’re 86.5mm
http://www.frsport.com/JE-Pistons-245015-Forged-2618-T6-Aluminum-Pistons-SR20DET-86-5mm_p_8118.html

I know that boring much more than this is bad on an aluminum block, but how far have you guys gone (first hand experience only) without failure?
87mm are easy to find, and Enjuku has 88mm CP pistons.
I hear guys on Zilvia talk about 90mm pistons…but I haven’t ever seen a lot of reliability comments.
Actually, you can find them on Phase2Motortrends
http://www.phase2motortrend.com/cppisr.html

What’s the limit before you have to sleeve?
I think that #2 did some damage, as the side of the piston is in rough shape, so I’m trying to figure out what I’ll do.

Honestly, I don’t really want to go with anything crazy.
I have damage on the head now, so i really need to replace that as well.
If I could find a stock long block I’d be happy.

Here are some more disassembly pics.

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#2

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#4

Little update.
I decided to make the living room a little more livable.
I think it looks great…well ish…haha
Not bad I guess for a few students with an engine in the room…lol

On a side note, does anyone know of a longblock for sale in case I get bad news from the machine shop and have to start over?

This is the only current available one that I found, and it has a spun rod bearing…

http://www.son240sx.org/forums/showthread.php?t=40524

This is not meant to start a huge debate or any arguments… cause we know how it goes on this forum… BUT if you are gonna go thru a full rebuild and beef up everything… then how about trying something other than a SR20 like say a KaT fully built they are plentiful and would make a hell of a track car if done correctly…

just asking… so turn off the flame throwers boys

Keep up the great work. Wish I could do that. I also agree, SRs are overpriced.
You should definately look into KAs, they are cheaper and I guess that way you could spend the difference on the build materials.
Btw, love the Sega Genesis. My little bro has over 100 games in the garage that he bought for like $40.

ls1!!!

you must have a gangster camera?

I’ve thought about going with another swap, but I don’t have the money to take on something like that right now. I’m going to try and salvage what I can with this motor, and hopefully I fare out ok. There is a lot of money in this engine in terms of aftermarket parts that I wouldn’t get anything for if I were to try and sell them and move on.

Tomei poncams, Ferrea valvetrain with dual valve springs, oversized vlaves & Ti retainers, all the head work (if I can save it), Eagle rods, HKS headgasket, and the ARP hardware. Then when you look at the supporting mods, the Full Race manifold, the intercooler plumbing for the SR, custom driveshaft, Exedy stage 3 clutch, B&M shifter, downpipe & exhaust, turbo lines & such, Nismo mounts, HKS Injectors, ATI super damper for the SR20, ARC oilpan, S15 TB, etc etc etc.

Not to mention tuning the AEM for a new engine instead of tweaking for next year, the wiring, custom fab, etc that I’d have to get into. If I had the money for a baller build, and a garage :p, I’d consider it much more.

On a side note, my camera isn’t baller at all, it’s a 5MP Canon point & shoot that my mother was given from work, and gave it to my brother when she changed jobs. The Sega is awesome, my brother found it about a month ago, and we’ve been rocking it ever since. If your brother wants to sell 100 games for $40, pm me…lol
My brother has been buying games for $5 a piece at a video game store because he hasn’t found a deal like that, or has been too lazy…haha

Guess that makes sense. So are you going to keep the block stock this time or new pistons again with the everything added to go with it.
Don’t think you should re-use the headgasket, but I might be wrong.
Still good luck with the build. And I’ll ask my brother if he wants to sell all the games.
He even has a BNIB Sega GameGear and Super Nintendo. lol

from the pics the head looks like it can be saved but its hard to tell. has it ever been skimmed before? also it looks like a chunk(s) of the Cumbustion Chamber around the exhaust vavles are missing or is it just a shadow in the pic? it seems the rockers on sr20 are a weak point of the engine as i have read about this on various forums including here. what do you usually spin your engine at when you compete? 7-8k? maybe time for a solid lifter setup.

peace

Dont quote me on this but most likely the engine would have lasted longer with different cams and no internal work and everything else the same…imo no point in building your block unless you want high high horspower stock block can take 350-380 easily…

If I can find a good condition short block and salvage the head, I’ll be running a stock bottom end. I might keep the Eagle rods in case I want to throw them in at some point, but the trick is going to be finding a decent short block or long block. It seems that they’re not easy to find unless you want to pay for a full swap type deal.

I don’t think there are any chunks missing, not quite sure what you mean there, but the head has been decked before when the engine was built. I’m hoping they’ll be able to deck it again, or at least weld and deck it. I’ve heard of a few guys doing that and it’s worked out for them.

The highest I ever rev the engine is 7300rpm (redline), and it’s not often that I do that. It seems that whenever I do, I throw a rocker…lol
I don’t think I’ll be going for a solid lifter setup, I’m just going to get the lash readjusted to spec if I can reuse this head.

I agree that the stock block would probably handle the power I make easily. If I can, I’ll be going back to a stock block. The cam’s aren’t that aggressive at all, they’re only 256. I don’t know why detonation would pick on the 2nd cylinder. Weak injector, IM routing, I dunno.

Update:

I picked up a cheap crank pulley puller set, which happened to only have one size of thread for all of its bolts, so I came up with my own bolts.

I pulled the crank pulley, then the rear main seal and the front cover, timing chain, etc.

Then out came the crank.

While I had some downtime, I decided to pull apart the turbo for kicks.
The damn exhaust housing is stuck pretty bad, so I stopped once I got that far.

The exhaust housing/wastegate looked really white when I pulled it apart.
I guess it’s because the car was running so hot lately.

Then I pulled the compressor housing and random bits off.

I know the old saying “don’t buy used turbo’s”, but I found a low miles “no play” replacement with a manifold and inlet/outlet elbows, etc. for a decent price, so I picked it up. I figure I can use it to upgrade my turbo elbow, and use the current turbo for a spare in the future.

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Nice yea man stock block all they way for 500hp and under, no1 builds it like Nissan…

But yea did you have rocker arm stoppers? Small thing but pretty key in a sr20 also I’am sure Varun can find you a short block or long block I know your in Newfoundland but try him…

I don’t have rocker arm stoppers.
When the engine was built, the guys decided that it would be safer for a broken rocker to get out of the way rather than get stuck under the RAS and possibly cause a valve to contact a piston.
So far both rockers have gotten out of the way of the valves, and besides breaking everything else, it’s what I wanted them to do…lol

He might be able to find me something, but he runs a business, and his S14 blacktop swaps go for $3400.
I don’t have close to that much to spend right now.

Update time.

I decided to fully strip the block, and bring it to a local machine shop.
I also brought my head there to see what they could do for me.

Their idea of fixing the head was to mill the detonation marks down until they weren’t visible anymore. They wanted to know how much that they could mill off the head. I told them I didn’t think very much at all, and before I agreed to this, I made some phone calls.

I won’t mention any shops in particular, but I called a shop in the states that deal with a lot of SR20 heads, and they fully disagreed with this approach. They were all for welding the head and surfacing, to remove as little material as possible. They told me that for $500-$700 US, they could do a full refresh of the head, including a rework of the combustion chamber to remove the sharp edges.

I also contacted a shop in Ontario, who told me to just junk the head and start over with a new one. They suggested that welding that area of the head would distort it (as I had concerns with originally), and the head would have to be decked quite a bit. This shop also suggested that the distortion may cause the valve seats to loose their overlap and may fall out while running.

So you see my predicament.
I’ve talked with 3 shops, all of which have vastly differing opinions on how I should proceed.
I have no doubt that the shop that suggested welding the head could do it, and I wouldn’t have any problems going forward. However, for that price, I can almost buy a full longblock and move on.

The shop that didn’t like the welding idea builds a lot of race engines, but again aren’t SR20 specialists. Any advice from that shop seems to be good advice so far (on another topic), but this one is up in the air.

I think I may choose to just buy another long block and start over.
I’ll loose all of my headwork, and I’ll have to build the head again, but it’s probably the most economical way to do it.
What do you guys think?

Cyl #4

Cyl #3

Cyl #2

Cyl #1

Cyl #4

Cyl #3

Cyl #2

Cyl #1

Cyl #4

Cyl #3

Cyl #2

Cyl #1

On to the block.
I think that I’ll get the local shop to repair the slight scour marks left behind by Piston #2. I may not have to bore, but if I do, I’m safe for another 0.020".
Currently I’m at an 86.5mm piston, up from the 86mm stock piston (0.020" over). I can safely go to 87mm from all that I’ve found, so I think I’m going to tell them to go ahead and fix the cylinder walls for a spare. I’ve still go the entire bottom end, I’d just need some 87mm pistons and I’d have a “built” bottom end again.

It appears from these pictures that each piston left some slight marks, but you can only feel slight marks on #2, so I’m sure a none would clean them up just fine.
Basically all that was left to strip the block was pulling all the bolts and fittings, the oil squirters, bearings, etc.

Here’s a quick way to remove your bearings.
Take a small electronics flat head screw driver, and just slip it behind the notch. Put a minimal amount of pressure on it, and they pop right out.

Squirters

Fully Stripped.

Here are the cylinder walls.

Cyl #4

Cyl #3

Cyl #2

Cyl #1

Cyl #4

Cyl #3

Cyl #2

Cyl #1

So after I dropped my engine off, I had nothing to do…
I decided to start into the wiring.
This car was once an automatic, zenki, ka24de powered little guy.

I don’t have the full history of the car, but I know it’s went through a lot of changes. It’s had a 5 speed swap, it’s had an SR20 swap, the boost was controlled with an AEM TruBoost, it’s gotten an AEM standalone to scrap the ecu and boost controller, it’s gotten a viper 2-way, it’s gotten a number of sound systems…etc.

So to say the least, the wiring in this car is a mess. I tried to clean it up a little bit in April when I scrapped the full interior while waiting on engine parts. Basically at that time, it was just to reroute all the wiring, and bundle things together, etc. This winter I’m going to try and tackle the job of cutting open the harnesses, and eliminating what I don’t need.

Here are some pics from the interior removal yesterday afternoon.

Look at how high the front of the car is with no motorset, and with the trunk packed full of heavy parts. It really looses some of its stance like this…lol

I took some interior shots before I started to strip it…why not right.

And check this…I have an S14 with a (Working) sunroof and a Cusco cage.
Yes, it can be done.
Cusco only makes their cages for non-sunroof models, but I decided to give it a shot.

Here’s a quick how-to in a nutshell.

  • Basically you drop the headliner and the whole sunroof assembly out of the car. I did this on a “misty” night, so remember to cover the roof with a blanket or something while you’re inside modifying your sunroof.
  • Pull the carpet and cut out the sound deadening under the main hoop.
  • Drill out the dome light brackets on your sunroof assembly.
  • Remove the dome light bits from the headliner, it won’t be reused.
  • Fit the sunroof assembly back into the car, but don’t reinstall all the side brackets.
  • The sunroof assembly bolts to the roof, but there are 6 black brackets that also bolt to the roof and to the assembly. I didn’t reinstall these brackets on the rear section of the sunroof assembly, I might have installed the front ones.
  • Removing these brackets and drilling out/removing the dome light assembly, coupled with the sound deadening removal on the floor does the trick.
  • Bolt up the sunroof assembly, and reinstall the headliner.
  • With the carpet still removed, tilt the main hoop back toward the rear window and place the legs where you want them.
  • There is a small “step” in the floor if I remember correctly, I placed it at the base of this step.
  • While holding the legs in place, push the main hoop up into the roof, and into position.
  • This will be quite tight against the headliner, but it should fit right into place where the dome light once sat.
  • There are two cross-members in the sunroof assembly, and the dome light bracket is in the middle of these. Once the dome light bracket is removed, the main hoop will sit between these two members.
  • Mark/drill for your bolts/plates and install.
  • I used some autobody cocking on the plates to seal them.
  • The rear members go to the rear wheel wells.
  • Same deal with the plates & cocking.
  • Then I installed the cross brace, and there’s another one that fits straight across the rear seat about half way up, kind of like a strut bar, not pictured here.
  • I keep that one out sometimes so that all I have to do is remove the cross-member and I can fit people/stuff in the back seat.

Don’t hold me liable if you follow any of that and mess up your car.
It’s just how I did it through trial & error.
But it worked.

The sunroof can’t go back anymore obviously, because it used to go back into the headliner, and now there’s a roll bar there. It can however still tilt, which is what I use most of the time anyway. It’s nice to be able to cruise at night with the sunroof cracked, or even on long highway runs.
I don’t have any AC, so I usually leave the sunroof cracked and circulate the air on low on the highway, and it’s perfect.

Anyway, on to the stripping.

Seats/mats

Center Console

Glove box & deck/center bits

Steering wheel, pulled some wiring, random trim pieces

Cluster, etc.

Boxing up the interior bits

Pulling the dash

Here I pulled the metal reinforcement bar / airbag assembly behind the dash.
I sorted some wiring here, but lost interest and boxed it up for the day to get some other shit done.

That’s where the 240 sits.
If anyone has an opinion on engine options, from what I discussed at the beginning here, feel free to shoot them my way, post up.
I might go ahead and source a longblock to get me started.

While the 240’s broke, I need something to drive.
Insert SC’d Max.

It’s been off its feet since I sold my aftermarket suspension & big brakes this summer. I basically parted it out for the 240, but couldn’t sell the SC kit.

Now it’s going to serve as my winter boost…with some big jesus snow tires…lol

I went out to the parents house late last night to revive her.
With me, I brought some basic tools, fluids, lighting, parts, my “drift wheels”, etc…lol

The poor thing has been blocked up now for months.

I figured I’d snap a few pics of the other Maxima while I was at it.
This is what I’m currently driving, both are anniversary editions, the burgundy one is an Auto, the SC’d one is a proper 5 speed.

Anyway, new suspension bits.
The top mounts for the suspension are OEM only, and I haven’t been able to source them, so I bit the bullet.

Sketchy spring compression

Assembled and ready to go on.
(Not my foot :p)

And some new brakes

Finally…a few shots of the SC kit.
It’s a little dirty from sitting all year, but I’m sure it’ll roar to life no problem within the next few days.

All that I have left to do now is weld up an exhaust for it, and replace some random bolts that are missing, etc.
It should be quite the “winter rig”.

Nah,

That was a put to good use.

If you need anything, feel free to contact me.
I’ve had way too many good times and nightmares with these bad boys.

I also have New Arias Pistons, etc.

What was your wideband saying because it looks like you were running pretty lean all around?

Wideband was basically 13.5 not in boost.
13.0 flat at 3K starting in boost, and going to 11.9 at full boost.

When I got the car, afr’s were under what it could read, so I grabbed pete’s old tune and messed with the fuel delivery on the street.

I think my issues were when the boost was peaking on the drag strip.
My EMS couldn’t log the afr’s because they weren’t registering right.
I couldn’t get the uego set up correctly on the ems, they were reading like 19 in the program. I know it wasn’t at 19, because I was visibly rich most of the time.

I think I’ll try to hang around the 12’s this time…and maybe invest in some meth injection for more boost…lol

Man, what do you have for spares.
I think I’m going to go buy a new longblock, but I’m going to keep looking around and see what I can find first.
What size are the pistons?
Pm me some details.

Thanks.

Update Time!!

I found another S14 Notchtop with the help of Veloz (Thanks again), and had it shipped here last week. I plan on installing my bolt-ons and running this as a stock motor (with cams) next season. Of course, when I say bolt-ons, I mean everything from the GT2871R to the AEM EMS, Meth Injection, etc.

We can discuss that all a little later, but in the mean time, here’s forklift dude, doing what forklift dude does best. Having a fly haircut while he works.
Pretty sweet that we didn’t have to lift it all the same. Full pallets don’t fit the truck, but small pallets FTW.

All snuggled in, ready for her trip home.

I brought it back to my buddies house for the night, as he was working on both of his AE86 shells. He bought the white shell from a Targa competitor that had crashed it 2 years ago, and straightened the front end last year.

However, due to some shady work by the body shop, he ended up cutting the front end off again (We used a reciprocating saw to salvage a front end from another AE86 last summer), and start fresh.

Late this summer, he decided to buy another shell from BC, which is littered with bracing and carbon fiber, etc. I have some pics of it below. He’s got a custom built Ford 8.8" rear end, that we just bolted up a few days ago, and will run his built AE92 motor through a Supra transmission and onto the rear end.

We grabbed the hoist and a sketchy oil covered rope for the drop-off. Again, no lifting was pretty sweet.

A few shots of it hanging out near the white AE86, and some close-ups.

Domo Kun

After I dropped the truck back to my buddy, Mike wanted to get some pics of his progress this month.

Side Shot of the CF doors + hood. The hatch was sold, so he’s looking for another one. He has a Lexan window with fuel door already, just need the hatch.

Stripped interior.

Fuel Cell + Surge Tank. AN Fittings are the best.

Big Jebus Diffuser.

Monkey Bars.

Moroso Battery Box.

Silly Side Vents.

CF Mirrors,

BOV Exit + Fender Flares.

And the powerplant…

Err…

And a plug for the forum.

A plug for the previous owner.

The soon to be seat.

Soon to be custom driveshaft and some Supra/AE92 parts.

Coilovers.

Suspension bits, Wilwood Brakes, & sub frames.




Big ass compressor.

Subway Cookie.

And some rusties cleanup for good measure.


Another, somewhat off topic update…lol
I’m building a garage for the winter, so that I have somewhere to strip and wrench on the 240. The engine bay is pretty rough, and there’s rust forming in a lot of places, so I’m going to strip it, prep it, and paint it. While I’m at it, I’m going to basically refresh everything that I can get my hands on, so it’ll probably be down to the shell before I start putting it all back together.

I got a guy in last week to level the land so that I could pour my slab.
Before the guy showed up it was 6" off level, when he left it was about 18" off…:/:

So I went out last weekend myself and got another guy back to clear off the top part of the lot and decided to move the garage back there. This way I have about 40 feet or more out in front of the garage for parking/washing the whips, etc.

I’m hoping to have it shelled in by next weekend, as we’re getting snow and crap this weekend. If I can get the walls up on Saturday, that will be a good start.

Here’s how the land has changed within the last month.

The original lot.

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After a quick clearing of some alders & wood & such.

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After the first attempt with a backhoe.

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You can see, even after the back corner was moved up 16", how far off level it still is.

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New Location.

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Framed out.

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Big ass rock that we had to move with no bar, or any proper tools.
We used the “old fashioned” method of propping it up on one side with a 12’ board and sticking rocks under it, then doing the same thing on the other side, back and forth until it “lifted” itself out of the hole enough to roll out.

I know it’s not that big of a rock, but on a Sunday evening, when you have no tools and already have the boards in place and level, it was a B**ch to get moved…lol

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Leveled up.

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They sent 8m^3 of cement for the slab, I knew that it was going to be too much, judging by how much we had dug out of the area while prepping it, so when the old man called saying that they had a bunch of cement left over, I got them to pour a ramp into the slab from the front for access. This makes it easier than trying to build it from fill.

I’m going to fill the front with some Class A gravel, or some crushed stone, and it will cover about 1/2 of that ramp and level into the front.

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The front is much higher than it was originally now.

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Note the water access in the front. I’ll be able to run this into the garage now, and have a sink for washing hands, a hose for washing cars, etc.

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