BJ Penn v Georges St. Pierre

For you UFC guys, I’m sure you’re pretty psyched for this fight. I can’t stand seeing that BJ Penn guy talk so much trash. He seems like a cocky rich guy. He’s a hell of a brawler though.

I was just watching Georges St. Pierre training with the Light Heavyweight champion Rashad Evans. And man, St. Pierre is a beast.

From all the matches I’ve seen with Penn, he’s a monster for the first ~45 - 90 seconds, then he hits a wall. And his ground skills aren’t up to par with St. Pierre. But St. Pierre doesn’t seem to get going until after the first minute or so.

Honestly I just want to see my favorite guy Seth Petruzelli beat the shit out of BJ Penn in a back alley. :ham:

This should be a good fight for sure. Watching that same pre-fight BS now too.

off topic (yeah it’s my own thread, bish)

awesome seth petruzelli fight

featuring:
kicking the guy in the back of the head
punching him so hard he falls to the ground, then repeating
getting his kick caught, being rushed, and throwing the guy’s head into the cage

Not trying to talk shit here, so if I sound like a jerk, I don’t REALLY mean to be offensive.

Actually I just typed a really long paragraph quoting various examples, but it’s just not worth it.

In summary, you just don’t know what you are talking about, at all. Penn is a monster. Not standing, but on the ground.

This was written two years ago. I think you should read it.

I see a lot of newer fans (I’m not going to say TUF fans) who say that BJ is over-rated. I can even understand a little, because if i’d only been a fan for 2-3 years I may think the same thing.

So I am going to try not being condescending, and am actually going to try explaining to you why he is so highly regarded. I became a die-hard MMA fan about a year before his debut so I think I am in a good position for this.

Firstly, his BJJ game and credentials are as good as anybody in the game. This is why he is called the prodigy, the first US fighter to win the gold in Brazil.

So following his short and sensational career as a BJJ fighter he turned to MMA, and fans were already talking about him - before he had even fought. He was so highly regarded that his debut was in the UFC!

His opponent was Joey Gilbert, a gimme. BJ as expected dominated Gilbert.

Around this time Jens Pulver had just won the LW title, and the UFC was trying to get a superfight for him. So they brought in Din Thomas.

Din Thomas had fought all over the world, he was a known top class fighter and had stopped Jens Pulver previously. Not only that but he gave Caol Uno a hell of a fight in his only loss.

Din’s UFC debut was against Penn. The vast majority of people thought that this was a gimme for Din before his big rematch with Jens, and in truth that was probably Zuffa’s plans.

BJ Penn at only 22, and in only his second MMA fight KO’d Thomas in a couple of minutes. Trust my guys this was sensational at the time - Think Gonzaga-Cro Cop (only to a lesser extent because Thomas didn’t have so many nut-huggers)

The next fight for BJ was probably to punish him for ruining the UFC’s plans

It is hard to remember/believe, but at the time Uno was recognised as a top 3 fighter, and a guy who on his day could beat anybody in the world.

BJ Penn’s destruction of Uno was probably the biggest ‘coming-out party’ in MMA history. He KO’d him in 11 seconds!

As an example could you imagine a 22 year old guy with only 2 fights destroying Gomi in 11 seconds?

That is what it was like.

I liken it to Sokoudjo this year, or Shogun in 2005. A metoric rise to fame like no other.

Uno had beaten Iha, Thomas, Sato twice and he had been overwhelmed in seconds by an in-experienced kid who was supposedly a grappler.

I remember the net at this time, and BJ Penn was probably the most talked about guy in the sport.

His next fight was with Pulver, a close decision loss. However he proved he was more than a match for the champion by having a picture-perfect armbar applied as the round ended.

Even though he lost he proved that he was no flash in the pan.

His next 3 fights were underwhelming, facing Creighton, Serra and Uno in lackluster affairs. The rematch with Uno was so controversial, and I still can not fathom how he didn’t win the title in that fight. This gave fans sympathy for Penn.

At this time Penn was pissed, and vowed to prove that he was the number one guy in the world.

So he went out and on his own money put together a fight with unbeaten Takanori Gomi. You know how these days everybody makes threads “Who’d win Sherk or Kid Yamamoto?” etc

This was the same thing. A dream fight for fans between two guys in different organisations.

Unfortunately Gomi lost a decision to Hansen just over a month before the superfight, which made the fight anti-climatic.

It was still highly anticipated though, and Penn dominated Gomi. In a way which Gomi has never been dominated before or since. This is another easy thing to overlook, but directly after the Penn fight, Gomi signed for Pride and dominated for a couple of years. Just a testament to how good BJ truly is.

Following that Penn returned to the UFC and announced that he was going up in weight to fight Hughes.

Matt Hughes at that time was honestly viewed as Fedor is now. He was the top P4P guy in the world and was seen unbeatable.

Fans worldwide thought this was a huge mistake and there were threads on sherdog with titles such as ‘RIP BJ’ etc

What happened is the equivalent of Chuck Liddell moving to HW and dominating Fedor. It was unfathomable.

Writing this it is really hitting home how easy it is to forget the situations etc, how easy it is to downplay a win a few years later.

BJ lost a lot of fans with his next move - myself included. UFC warned him that as champion he could not fight in other organisations - he ignored them and went to K1.

Bang Ludwig was a rising superstar at the time, he was riding high with wins in his last two fights over Pulver and Sudo. Ludwig-Penn was the fight fans wanted to see, and they got it.

Like man vs boy, Bang was dominated and BJ Penn cemented his status as the P4P king.

In another of those easy to forget things, Rodrido Gracie was viewed as the next great Gracie. He was undefeated and coming off a huge win over Mach Sakurai.

When Penn announced he was moving up to MW to fight him people honest to god thought he was crazy.

He did though, and dominated the next great Gracie.

His next move was to crazy even for him. I remember when it was announced he moving to HW to fight undefeated sensation Machida there were people saying they were going to stop being fans of his because he was too ir-rational.

Fears were confirmed, and Penn lost. However it was a razor-thin decision that could easily have gone his way.

Think about it. Machida has dominated everybody he has fought, including brutal stoppages of Bonnar and Franklin, he is currently considered the biggest prospect in the LHW division. Yet he barely beat a guy fighting at least 50 pounds over his ideal weight. You guys still wanna say that BJ is over-rated?

I will not go into his next 3 fights because I assume that you guys know what happened.

Personally I groan everytime I read that Penn is over-rated. I he an MMA superstar, and one of the elite fighters of all time.

He has beaten 7 fighters who at the time were considered elite, Not only has he beaten them, he has dominated all but one (Serra)

Thomas
Uno
Serra
Ludwig
Gomi
Gracie
Hughes

So please next time you wanna type that Penn is over-rated, remember this post.

There is never an easier time to tell when a fan is uneducated, and when he explains that he doesn’t know why Penn is so respected.

just caught bob sapp vs seth. man why does sapp have to suck so bad. What the hell was going on with seths arm too that sucked. I would have liked to see that continue.

On topic. I hope BJ Penn wins.

I can’t wait to see this, Might have to though because I will be out of town next week.

BJ not up to par on the ground? He has been known to run out of gas in the past but I think that BJ is gone, as long as he didn’t just get fat to move up to 170.

I think it’s a toss up for the first couple rounds. The longer it goes, I give the edge to GSP. If I had to pick one, I’d go with GSP.

Hughes & Serra > * :stuck_out_tongue: (j/k)

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St Pierre destroyed Penn on the ground in their last fight. Are you saying GSP hasn’t been training as hard as Penn? I was comparing Penn to GSP specifically when I said “to par.” Don’t forget who the champ is here. Penn is definitely a scary fighter and said he’s going to “try to kill” GSP next time in the ring. In his last statement to the camera before his flight out of Hawaii, he also said he talked too much and the day to leave came a little unexpectedly.

I’m glad your hardest effort to not sound offensive is “you just don’t know what you’re talking about, at all.” I’ve watched nearly every fight BJ Penn and Georges St. Pierre have been in in the last two years, I feel like I’m equally qualified as you to have an opinion :wink:

Let’s bet our predictions. $1 says it takes all three rounds, and the win goes to GSP by submission.

Yeah it’s hard to see but Seth wrapped his elbow around the ropes and then got it punched pretty awkwardly. Bummer =\

You are certainly entitled to an opinion.

It’s a 5 round fight.

I’m not saying Georges isn’t tremendous, he is. I enjoy watching his striking. Well, I used to enjoy his striking before he became a scared fairy. Once he was rocked by Serra, he is not willing to engage in a stand up fight with anyone. After getting tagged once, GSP will instantly try and take BJ down. Penn was out of shape when he first fought GSP, he took the fight on short notice and STILL should have won the decision. Look what BJ has done after conditioning.

Penn has great boxing, but even better submissions. GSP may have been able to keep a tired Penn down previously, but seriously, open your eyes. Penn is a master of BJJ. Watch more than just the last 2 years of fights. Watch Penn/Uno. Penn/Thomas. Penn/Hughes 1 + 2. Seriously now.

Anyways, I know you are just a regular TUFFER, and that’s fine. Just try not to get cought up in the UFC hype machine.

BJ Penn ftw. Dude is insanely talented, unbelievable balance, great stand up and unbeatable ground game. But at the same time GSP is no joke. Ive always liked Penn hope to see him take this one down.

I love how the OP said BJ is cocky and talks trash. Did you not see the GSP special?

I tell everyone who asks my opinion, I need to see the weigh in before I make a decision. If BJ come in looking in shape and that his cardo is in line he will be tough to beat.

I cant wait to see the fight.

I want GSP to win, but it is going to be a tough fight. I honestly cannot see how GSP would be able to end this fight, if it goes 5 rounds then he could win by decision. Penn on the other hand, could potentially pick GSP apart…

In any event it is going to be an amazing fight, I am so psyched already!!!

damn i cannot wait for this

HOPE GSP WINS

hate the cocky blowjob.

Definitely true, if Penn can keep his steam up it’ll be hard for GSP to keep him on the ground.

And I’ve seen all the specials and GSP hasn’t said one cocky thing? Rashad Evans was kind of cocky about GSP winning but that doesn’t count.

^^ I have been watching the specials as well I don’t see how GSP is being cocky at all. BJ is the only one talking shit, and i’ve watched that fight multiple times from 06 and BJ thinks he straight dominated it which he def didn’t. hope he gets knocked out :slight_smile:

not to mention GSP 2 years ago is no where near the same level fighter as he is today