does he live in downtown pittsburgh? Im not really sure, but i doubt it. Obama has only been in office for 6 months and already is doing stupid fucking things. I dont feel like paying the government half of every paycheck or possibly even more when im older and settled down. A lot of the things he wants to pass is going to hurt our country more and more as the years pass.
whether you want to classify is as a “pollutant” or not is really a moot point. The man-made over-abundance of it is having a very negative impact on the environment.
Is water a pollutant? No.
Can you die from over-hydration? Absolutely.
http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/environmental/200611CO2globalwarming.html
Carbon dioxide has taken center stage in the environmental arena in recent months. In August of 2003 the US Administration reversed the 1998 decision of the previous administration, which had classified carbon dioxide as a pollutant, and made it subject to the provisions of the Clean Air Act. As a result of the reversal of the 1998 decision, automobile manufacturers and power plants have been able to avoid making costly modifications that would have been required under the 1998 ruling. In 2006 environmental groups pushed for legislation that would reinstate carbon dioxide as a pollutant. In August of 2006 EPA General Counsel Robert Fabricant concluded that since the Clean Air Act does not specifically authorize regulation to address climate change, CO2 is not a pollutant (1).
The reason given for not classifying CO2 as a pollutant is based upon the fact that it is a natural component of the atmosphere and needed by plants in order to carry out photosynthesis. No one would argue the fact that carbon dioxide is a necessary component of the atmosphere any more than one would argue the fact that Vitamin D is necessary in the human diet. However, excess Vitamin D in the diet can be extremely toxic (6). Living systems, be they an ecosystem or an organism, require that a delicate balance be maintained between certain elements and/or compounds in order for the system to function normally. When one substance is present in excess and as a result threatens the wellbeing of an ecosystem, it becomes toxic, and could be considered to be a pollutant, despite the fact that it is required in small quantities.
So basically the EPA did define it as a pollutant until 2003, until the Bush Administration reversed the decision. Big shocker there.
It’s not just downtown Pittsburgh. The pollution doesn’t even come from us. It gets blown in from Ohio. So really it’s all of Western PA that’s eating Cleveland’s soot.
There are plenty of Obama proposals I don’t care for. But the fucking retards that seem to be morally offended by us trying to make the air cleaner so we don’t all fucking die of lung cancer are excessively annoying.
But should we be worried about ManBearPig?
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There are absolutely no Obama proposals that I care for. But the fucking retards that come on here and blab on endlessly about shit that they know absolutely nothing about, are getting really fucking annoying.
I am more worried about grandma
Speaking of people that know absolutely nothing of what they’re talking about, let’s focus on you… and this youtube video you posted as proof to back your retardation up with.
Craig Idso - Chairman of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Sounds very official right? Here’s a few interesting facts:
Craig is also the former Director of Environmental Science for Peabody Energy. What is Peabody Energy you might ask?
From Peabody Energy’s Website:
Peabody Energy (NYSE: BTU) is the world’s largest private-sector coal company, with 2008 sales of 256 million tons and $6.6 billion in revenues.
Ironic news release from Peabody Energy’s Website:
Peabody Energy Becomes Founding Member of Global Carbon Capture and Storage Institute
ST. LOUIS, April 15, 2009 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ – Peabody Energy (NYSE: BTU) today announced an agreement with the Government of Australia to become a founding member of the Global Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) Institute, an international initiative to accelerate commercialization of CCS technologies.The new organization has a mandate of facilitating development of 20 integrated, industrial-scale carbon capture and storage demonstration projects worldwide by 2020. The Australian Government has committed to host the institute and provide A$100 million annually to fund the effort.
Now, if the C02 from burning coal is GOOD for the environment, why has this coal company committed millions of dollars to try and capture it, and founded a global effort to help do the same?
Another funny thing about this organization:
The first thing on their website:
We need your financial support! As a 501(c)(3) public charity, the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change accepts corporate, foundation and individual donations to fund its educational activities. All donations are kept confidential. If you have browsed our website or utilized our material in the past year, please consider making a financial contribution. We need your help to keep us going.
Hmm, why would a corporation need to confidentially donate funds to a climate research institute? I mean, what corporation would want to keep that a secret? Or perhaps it’s the organization that doesn’t want it’s donors made public? Why you might ask???
Maybe because it’s partly funded by ExxonMobile.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Craig_Idso
The President: ZThe Dad: Sherwood Idso
Formerly employed by Western Fuels… What do they do? If you’ve been following along you can probably guess… COAL MINING!!!
Vice President: Brother #2 Keith Idso:
Another former Western Fuels employee.
Other notable job:
Biology teacher @ Maricopa County Community College :bowdown:
So let’s review.
- Organization devoted to making the public believe burning coal it not environmentally unfriendly
- Chairman: Former big wig for biggest private coal company in the world.
- President: His father. Also worked for giant coal company
- Vice Pres: His brother, funded by the coal industry
- Company funded by: Exxon Mobile and other “confidential sources”.
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid, you braindead fucking moron.
If GM would have hired him years ago, he woulda never ran for Prez!!!
And that proves what? The Coal and Oil industires are attempting to show morons like you how stupid they are when they buy into Al Gore-type fear mongering?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8641
I could go on and on and on…
Teh kool-aid you speak of is being served up by your newly elected socalist government as a method to rape you through thinly disguised taxes called “carbon credits”. What do you think will happen when they start taxing businesses based upon the amount of Co2 produced? Companies will leaving this country in droves to escape these unfair taxes and move their operations overseas causing even MORE lost jobs here in the US.
And you think this is a good thing?
Yeah, that’s just what we need right now…more taxes and less jobs.
Are you really a big fucking retard or do you just play one on teh Internet?
You do realize that I work for a company that does oil and natural gas drilling and coal mining right? Ok. Just checking.
As far as your links (none of the organizations of which I have ever heard of)… I could post up a handful of links saying the holocaust never happened, that the sun revolves around the earth, and that you are not a fucking retard. Doesn’t make it true.
Teh kool-aid you speak of is being served up by your newly elected socalist government as a method to rape you through thinly disguised taxes called “carbon credits”. What do you think will happen when they start taxing businesses based upon the amount of Co2 produced? Companies will leaving this country in droves to escape these unfair taxes and move their operations overseas causing even MORE lost jobs here in the US.
You’re so dense it’s starting to make my head hurt. Ever heard of a speeding ticket? Another horrific, unfair tax, right? Of course not. Drive slow, don’t get a ticket. Drive fast, get ticket. Businesses have the ability to stop polluting so much. If they do so, then they won’t have to worry about paying your EVIL CARBON TAX, correct?
Yeah, that’s just what we need right now…more taxes and less jobs.
Are you really a big fucking retard or do you just play one on teh Internet?
You really think it’s that simplistic, don’t you? Read this post again from page 1. Russell summed it up perfectly. Assuming you can read, of course…
By placing a cap on carbon emissions, and yes carbon emissions are pollution. It forces a capitalist economy to find new ways to make power without having to pay the tax.
For example the introduction of wind power, would create thousands of jobs in manufacturing, installation, as well as raise property values for areas of land suitable for wind farms.
The point is, while I personally don’t like my gas bill going up any more than anyone else, you cannot build a castle without stones. If you want this country to be strong it needs funding, and no politician in the world can create revenue without taxation.
The whole idea of America is a democracy, and it will function just like that. If you believe that the president himself will magically make this bill pass through the house and senate without it being scrutinized by both parties, then your sorely diluted.
If anything this bill is quite “American”, its taxation put in place by representation of duly elected officials. And if the American economy reacts the way it classically has, it will adapt, if coal is not cheap to use anymore, companies will find new ways to make power at reduced cost.
While this bill is radical, its far from “the sky is falling” situation that several people have made it out to be.
slap tarrif on imported oil. Problem solved.
And in case any of you didn’t notice, laws CAN be changed. If this shit doesn’t work out, it can always be reversed.
I miss the libertarian darkstar who didn’t like the US government ramming useless shit down our throats. This BS is just another tax to fuck the taxpayers.
Once they start taxing companies on “pollutants” where does it end? They will be taxing us on breathing soon because our breath is bad for the enviroment. Fuck the government, the only thing they should be doing is keeping us safe and shrinking their size. Let us the fuck alone and quit putting more taxes and stupid bs like this in effect.
isn’t this unfair taxing why we started that little conflict called the revolutionary war all of those years ago?
He’s just being a douchebag to create some excitement on here…some of his arguments are kind of funny though.
Like comparing taxing businesses based on imaginary Co2 pollution to getting a speeding ticket…:bowrofl:
Anyway…if we can still buy gasoline by the time he gets that 'vette race-ready, I’ll be glad to help Whitey and whoever else put that thing on the shelf!
Imagine that 'vette getting beat by a third-gen Camaro…lol
I agree with you 100% on this.
If you want to truley solve the problem and “Save Mother Earth” just kill off the human race entirely since breathing is going to be a pollutant. If not let everyone live their lives and die. Eventually it will all end anyway so when we die does it really matter after that what happens?
Or the government can stop fucking worrying so much, I’m sure this isn’t the first time the earth’s climate has changed and life in general has adapted to the changes. Survival of the fittest. Taxing isn’t going to do shit except make the rich, richer, and the working man more miserable to the point that a war will break out and possibly really fuck shit up.
Then it is funny because as soon as everyone get pissed enough and votes the Dems back out of majority, the republicans will reverse it all and then what, are they going to refund our money? I think not. It was all wasted for nothing.
The Libertarian Darkstar is still here. And when the government tries to ram useless shit down out throats, I’m against it.
However, I’m a realist before I’m a Libertarian. You have a credit card, right? You have to make payment on it, right? After you buy a bunch of shit and max out the card, do you whine and cry about how unfair it is that you have to pay off the balance? Of course not. Our country has racked up a huge debt. We have to pay it off. Unfortunately, the only way the government has to make money is through gasp… taxes. The Bush Administration spent money like drunken sailors while cutting taxes. This is where the blame goes. Obama inherited his mess, and because he’s telling you that he’s going to have to raise taxes you’re mad at him and he’s the bad guy.
You guys have the mentality of a 10 year old kid. Our government ran up a huge tab under Bush… the most fiscally irresponsible President in our history, and now Obama is trying to clean it up and you’re acting like he’s the devil personified.
Bush was living on cloud 9. Obama is living in reality. Reality sucks. But place the hate where the hate is due. I’m not an Obama fanboy. You ought to know who I was rooting for, and it was a far cry from Obama. But he’s what we’ve got right now.
Imaginary. Riiiight. How’s the view with your head buried that deep in the sand?
God you really are a dumb motherfucker. The last 8 years the Republicans ran the show. Ran up the debt, nearly collapsed the economy. But when Obama comes in and says “hey, you know all those bills we ran up, well now we kinda sorta have to pay them…” and he’s the bad guy.
IGNORANCE MUST BE MOTHERFUCKING BLISS.
taxing does not work. It never has and it never will. All taxing does is give more money to the people creating the taxes in the first place.
cutting gov size and spending would be a much better idea than taxing people.
Oh I agree with you wholeheartedly on that point. We definitely need to cut the size of government. Vastly. However, taxing companies that send a shitload of pollution into the air that is killing us and making us sick isn’t really making government bigger. Sick people increase the cost of healthcare. We’ve done the same thing with cigarettes… I didn’t see any of you non-smokers too fucking up in arms over that new tax…
noone said taxing the companies is making the gov bigger. It is an unnecessary tax designed to do what? What good will come from taxing companies on pullution? Will the companies increase the cost of their product to pay for the tax?
So obama gets into office by saying he will cut taxes and let the middle class have more money, then he puts this BS into effect and the cost of utilities and other areas goes up more than the tax breaks, brilliant.
Our government is a joke.
No you stupid fuck, I’m saying that whenever the opposite party gets in a majority of the time they undo shiit like this. I know Bush ran up a bill. That is the fucking problem. Stop taxing me for all the stupid shit and let me live then die in peace. Yeah a ton of shit needs to be fixed, so what is Obama’s plan? an 800 billion bailout for greedy companies? Yeah that is brilliant. Now not only have they spent more money, they have ownership in public businesses. How in the fuck does that work.
If you want to work for free then so be it. I personally would like to keep most of my money and live my life the way I want to, not send it out to welfare / social programs, or tree hugging experiments so I can gain 1 year MAYBE on my life.
This shit is a joke and like someone else said is nothing but fear mongering for profit.
Yes because if you live in Pittsburgh you only die of Lung Cancer or respiratory problems. You are a fucking retard.
Who is going to administer and regulate and this new Cap and Trade system? The federal government perhaps? How can you think this will not increase the size of the government?
How about getting the fucking government off our backs and out of the private sector so we can get this economy moving again?
If you want to know who is really behind this stupid legislation…read this!
That’s right, it’s the financial industry and they just can’t wait to get this new revenue stream in place.
Anyone who is in favor of this bill is just too fucking stupid to even argue with!! :asshole
Our country has racked up a huge debt. We have to pay it off. Unfortunately, the only way the government has to make money is through gasp… taxes. The Bush Administration spent money like drunken sailors while cutting taxes. This is where the blame goes. Obama inherited his mess, and because he’s telling you that he’s going to have to raise taxes you’re mad at him and he’s the bad guy.
Here’s a thought- how about instead of raising taxes, we leave the tax rates where they are and cut spending instead? If we maintained the same tax revenue while cutting spending enough, we’d have a deficit…right?
Obama’s “fix” is to spend even more, on absurd programs like the one this thread is about. Doesn’t sound like he’s “fixing” much, to me.