You just picked the wrong battle. My job is know and sell the idea of natural gas to the public. I’m fucking good at it. You, on the other hand, don’t know your asshole from a hole in the ground. No pun intended.
Mine subsidence is more well known because it’s actually a fucking problem. Whether the entire state of PA droops 10 centimeters over a hundred years really doesn’t matter. It has no impact on anyone or anything. People’s houses falling into gaping holes in the ground because of coal companies playing Jenga underneath towns does actually have an impact. The fact that you even tried to bring up subsidence in an argument between coal and NG is HILAIROUS. I mean christ they fun PSA’s about state run subsidence insurance its gotten so bad… 
- lets review long term natural gas extraction and the subsidence issues surrounding: If natural gas is extracted from a natural gas field the initial pressure (up to 600 bar) in the field will drop over the years. The gas pressure also supports the soil layers above the field. If the pressure drops, the soil pressure increases and this leads to subsidence at the ground level. Since exploration of the Slochteren (Netherlands) gas field started in the late 1960s the ground level over a 250 km² area has dropped with a current maximum of 30 cm [3]. See also this subsidence lecture.
Explain to me how the affects anything.
- not to add definition or clarity to the arguement, here are the facts: Fossil natural gas can be “associated” (found in oil fields) or “non-associated” (isolated in natural gas fields), and is also found in coal beds (as coalbed methane).
my tounge in cheek comment was more so drawn at the drilling for oil finds the associated gas pockets, but you thought i was referring to methane, noted, but in reality still both funny to me.
If you knew anything about this, which I previously mentioned it becoming quite obvious, then you would know that PA is just about sucked clean of oil. Natural gas, on the other hand, is going to bring jobs and prosperity back to Western PA that will make the steel era look meek in comparison.
the Marcellus shale is great and all… but per unit of gas per acre, it isn’t all that incredible.
Really, so why were Range Resources, Chesapeake, Devon, North Coast, etc. all offering people $2,000-$3,500 per acre, just to acquire the right to be able to drill in Western PA… and also offering increased royalty payments up to 20%… in an area where no one has ever got more than the state mandated 12.5%.
Why, because the Marcellus Shale is one of the most economical places to drill in the country in terms of gas per acre per dollar spent. Chesapeake spent in excess of 2.2 billion in the Marcellus play in FY2008. People were getting $10K per acre down in the Barnett Shale play, but that has to do more with the pipeline infrastructure that already exists there, allowing companies to flow more gas out of their wells. Once the big pipeline projects are complete in Western PA, it’s going to fuck your shit up royally. Like in 50 years people will have forgot that we even fucking made steel.
and there are tons of power outages monthly… circuts go down, grids over load… people suffer from it and to date it’s communications and electric… lets compound the outages issues by making it even more of a single point of failure :ugh:
You’re so fucking full of shit. Maybe out in California, but not most places. And do you know what does it out in Cali? Air conditioners. To charge the battery on a car you’re not pulling out a lot of current. It’s trickling in. It’s the high-draw appliances that fuck up a power grid.
Do I get bonus points for not having to look anything up on fucking Wikipedia?