What’s with all the math?!? Whats with trying to justify drinking and driving? If you are going to be drinking take a DD with you. There are also times where you can get a taxi for FREE in buffalo.
There’s just no excuse. Its cheaper to drink at home anyway.
and how much you want to bet that the people that are against D&D are the people who knew someone who was killed by a drunk driver. I am. three people in fact. one driver was a mere .08.
Or how about the guy with 5, 6, 7 DWI convictions that still goes out and does it?
What about the next time you get pulled over for speeding, but get let off. Then next time you go out and plow into someone doing 70MPH down Sheridan?
If you can spend a ton of money on booze, you can afford a cab. Enough said. There are zero excuses.
Also, to the person blowing a .08 at noon the next day. You are probably an alcoholic.
I would hope the guy with 5, 6, 7 DWI convictions is in jail.
And are you really comparing someone speeding to someone driving drunk?
i was wassssted driving in cheek on dygnus day…i think i made my car do a wheelie
nope just arguing how arbitrary your statement is.
and there are PLENTY of people out driving with multiple DWIs.
My point is that it isn’t always about the severity of the punishment, but rather the responsibility lies with the person.
In Andy’s case this may have been enough, or perhaps on the other hand if he was arrested/cited there is still the chance that he would drive and drive again. I bet there are people on here that have DWI convictions that will do it again. I can think of at least 1 (no offense, but you are still young).
It was more of a ‘what if’ argument to convey my attitude for no tolerence or ‘freebies’ when it comes to driving drunk. (not aimed at andy)
Essentialy a response to the people who were saying “wow, a cop who understands!”… :bloated:
And 9 times out of 10, people learn more effectively with a more severe punishment.
I’ve gotta say, I’m kinda surprised by Andy’s posts in this thread. Being anything but grateful to the cops that let you off for a 0.XX is insane. I really expected him to go one way with it, and then he totally turned the other way and seemed to take the whole thing as a joke.
I’m by no means throwing stones, I’ve done more than my fair share of dumb shit. but come on man…
everything turns into a joke when it’s posted here…
that is why it shouldn’t have been posted to begin with.
I’d be all for harsher punishment if they went back to the old .10 standard. .08 was pushed through by bullshit politics paid for by the insurance companies.
Want to see how much they like to twist the fact that .08 is bullshit? Check out this quote from a CA department of drugs and alcohol study:
Most DUIs occur at night (9 p.m. to 6 a.m.).Sixty-nine percent of the drivers of nighttime single vehicle fatal crashes had BAC levels of.10 percent or more. Only 21 percent had no alcohol in their blood.
They assume you won’t do the math. 69% were over .10. 21 percent had zero alcohol. So the people with less than .10 but more than 0 only contributed for 10% of the crashes. Or to put it another way, they were 11% LESS likely to crash than the stone sober drivers. How does this make sense? It’s actually pretty simple if you’ve ever actually driven with a slight buzz. Driving at .08 is the most concentrated you’ll probably ever drive. No cell phone, no texting, no speeding… nothing. Just concentrating on being that perfect driver so the cop has no reason to pull you over.
Yeah, studies have shown your reaction time isn’t as fast, but I’ll take my chances with the guy with the reduced reaction time who’s paying 100% attention over the guy who’s speeding and texting.
Ugh, this always happens on here. Everyone tries to be the cool kid taking a hard-line stance against DWI when most of them do it/have done it or completely misperceive how it actually is. Anything to the contrary just gets a bunch of stupid “Why do you support drunk drivers? EXECUTE THEM!!!1111111111111” responses. I tried making the points that Static does for awhile, i don’t bother any more.
I can certainly make the argument w/o being a hypocrite. 
DWI threads are just like weed threads on here - they all end up as a :picard:
What is the exact number you blew?
And yes Newman, we know you don’t drink.
Also, not everyone is hypocritical Joe although I do understand your point. Personally, I would much rather pay for a taxi ride than risk it.
QFT, although this is a whole different ball game.
DISAGREE:
GREAT THREAD: http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31800
If you lined up 20 people in a bar, 5 of whom had a .08 and the rest with a 0 or a .02, i bet most of you bashing wouldn’t be able to pick out 1 or 2 of them.
And Newman has more right than most to his opinion on this, but since he doesn’t drink it’s harder to take seriously. He could have an entirely different perception of the actual experience of being drunk, or even what a .08 feels like. Like a priest preaching about unsafe sex.
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But I also do know 2 people killed by drunk drivers.
Both people killed weren’t in cars, either…