If we didn’t have health care it would give people a good reason to take care of themselves.
Abolish it or restructure it so fatties and smokers pay more and healthy people pay less.
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i was being sarcastic. i’m probably one of the biggest supporters of universal health care.
and for everyone that brings up canada, why dont you bring up areas like the scandinavian countries, that get 10x more out of their government for less than we pay
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Yea, what scandinavian country are you talking about, because most of those eutopias that you speak about, are taxing at a rate of 75+ percent. Have you been to these countries. I’ll tell you this, they live at about half the level we do. You don’t see kids driving new mustangs, or young adults buyign new houses. You have houses that are over a hundred years old, passed down generation to generation because they cost so much. You have a “gonvernment knows best” meantality where the freedoms of the people are absorbed by big government, so that they can protect the people from themselves. If we went to there system, you would be on here talking about how free and cheap mexico has it. Realize that we are the most powerful nation for a reason. If you say that you want this and that, you might just end up getting ALL the problems of these countries that you wish for.
People (in general, not directed at anyone here) need to stop bitching about everything so much and realize how good we have it here. Life is so damn easy for us, but everyone has to whine and complain and act like they are being treated like crap.
[quote=“Penfold,post:43,topic:36052"”]
People (in general, not directed at anyone here) need to stop bitching about everything so much and realize how good we have it here. Life is so damn easy for us, but everyone has to whine and complain and act like they are being treated like crap.
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see: Michael Moore
Moore? No, I’ll be too busy cleaning my .30-30 with a chunk of bloody steak while smoking unfiltered Pall Malls in between sips of scotch, oil and the blood of trampled third-world nations.
:bloated:
I can not stand that man.
tell us how you really feel, Tom 
[quote=“Dr.Stevil,post:44,topic:36052"”]
see: Michael Moore
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Nonetheless though, He has become influential and I liked Bowling for Columbine. Fahrenheit 911…not so much…he really f’ed himself with that movie.
I am not saying we shouldn’t try to fix our problems at all. But yes, Moore does bitch way to much, doesn’t look at both sides of everything and doesn’t really offer many solutions. But isn’t that what most people do? At least he is entertaining to listen too, even if it just makes me laugh.
ughhh… bowling for columbine is filled with so many false truths and edited footage to get his point across, it’s not even funny.
I’d rather listen to Bill Oriley talk about his dinner date in Harlem with Al Sharpton
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ughhh… bowling for columbine is filled with so many false truths and edited footage to get his point across, it’s not even funny.
I’d rather listen to Bill Oriley talk about his dinner date in Harlem with Al Sharpton
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haha, I wouldn’t.
You didn’t find the animation in bowling for columbine funny? I laughed my ass off. I dunno, maybe I just like the way moore attacks people? I like guns, I have many, but I still liked the movie. I guess I’m just weird:gotme:.
I’m actually kind of pissed at UB’s SA for making him this year’s big name. I’ve been going to speeches at UB for years, and have heard everyone from Bill Clinton to Bill Cosby. Last year was the Dali fucking Llama and this year the big name is Michael fucking Moore?
Sad.
I’m actually going to making a point of going to see Ishmael Beah. I read his book this summer. He was kidnapped and forced into becoming a boy soldier in Sierra Leone, but managed to get out alive.
I would rather sit here in Iraq then go see him speak. BTW universal health care FTL and making fatty two packa day smokers pay more FTW.
This is something that makes me feel the way I do.
It really wasn’t all that bad. He’s a master at carefully selecting facts to support his arguments, but if you’re skeptical enough to check the other side of the story he can make some good points.
Of course, my favorite part was when he brought a 4.0 GPA US student and a 2.5 GPA Canadian student on stage, trying to prove that the dumbest Canadian is smarter than the smartest American. (Ignore all the problems with his comparison.) He asked both who the president of the USA is. Both knew. Then he asked both who the president/prime minister of Canada was. Sure the American theater-major/dumb broad didn’t know, but neither did the Canadian kid! 
Towards the end a kid asked something about how to get a documentary to the public, and Moore offered to help the kid and that he should come back stage afterwards and they’d work something out. If he really meant it then that’s pretty cool.
I was there, it was entertaining. I liked the clip about Norway
Yeah that was pretty good. A legal system that rehabilitates instead of punishing and hardening is a pretty wacky concept.
he is a horrendous public speaker
+1 the first half hour of Um, ugh ummm ugh ugh, was fucking horrible