M3 v. ATS-V v. C63 comparisons

because one of these three is not like the others. As you might expect, the two Germans are right on top of each other. Any power advantage the AMG has over the M3 is mitigated by lard. The 425-horsepower, 406-lb-ft of torque, 3.0-liter, twin-turbo inline-six BMW weighs only 3,498 pounds, whereas the 503-horse, 516 lb-ft of twist C63 pushes down on the scales with 3,936 pounds. As such, both cars hit 0-60 mph in 4 seconds flat. The AMG manages to just pip the M3 in the quarter mile, 12.2 seconds at 119.5 mph versus 12.3 at 118.1 mph. The Caddy? Well, friends, the 3,788-pound ATS-V with its 464-hp, 445-lb-ft of torque, twin-turbo, 3.6-liter V-6 hits 60 mph in a remarkable 3.7 seconds. That’s as quick as a Corvette Stingray (though the first C7 Z51 we ever tested took 3.9 seconds) and quicker than a Camaro Z/28 (4.0 seconds). The American speed demon wins the quarter-mile battle, too, doing so in 12.1 seconds at 116.2 mph. Note the trap speed, as the Caddy is out of breath at the end of the race.

The ATS-V also stops in a hurry. With nothing but steel rotors, the ATS-V goes from 60 mph to zero in just 99 feet. That’s equal to a Ferrari 458 Italia, though the Corvette Stingray does it in 95 feet. As for the two Germans? The AMG with its $5,450 carbon-ceramic front brakes (rears are steel) requires 101 feet from 60 mph, and the M3 with its $8,150 full carbon-ceramic brake package needs 104 feet. As you can see, in a straight line, America wins. But when you start turning the wheel … USA still comes out on top. The Cadillac dusted the competition, running around our figure-eight course in 23.7 seconds, whereas the two Germans both required 24.1 seconds. To illustrate just how phenomenally all three cars handle, that Corvette Stingray needs 23.5 seconds to lap the figure eight, while a Porsche 911 Carrera 4S requires 23.9. Ferrari 458 Italia? 23.6 seconds, all of which should give you a clear illustration of how ludicrous the Caddy’s handling prowess is. The conclusion from our test team is that if performance is all you care about, buy the Cadillac. However—and I sound like a broken record here—numbers only tell one part of the story.

[There’s one final hunk of data I’d like to toss at you. We happily let Pobst run all three cars around Willow Springs International Raceway’s 2.42-mile circuit (the big track, aka Big Willow), and here are the results, in descending order: BMW M3 1:32.51, C63 1:31.52, Caddy ATS-V 1:31.43. The ATS-V and the C63 are both a second quicker than the M3, and the Cadillac beats the Mercedes by nine hundredths of a second. Also note that whatever advantage the Cadillac had over the C63 in our normal testing was nearly neutralized on the track. Likewise, where the BMW and Mercedes were virtually tied at the drag-strip, on the racetrack the C63 is measurably better. Pobst liked the BMW the least (snappy at the limit) and felt like he was 5 seconds per lap faster in the Mercedes than in the ATS-V. He was shocked to learn he was quicker in the Caddy. But we’re talking less than a tenth.

Three pages of good reading. Hard to include the Benz at a $10k to $15k premium in the comparison, but everyone likes a 3 horse race.

The entire time I was reading it I thought the ATS-V was going to come out the winner. It would definitely be my pick of the 3…

I was surprised at the braking most of all.

ATS-V is a beast, same motor as my car and I love it, couldn’t imagine it in a much lighter, more nimble platform. Now they just need to make a vert.

My FIL has the NA 3.6 ATS and it’s a FUN car to drive, I can only image it with the TT version, it’s gotta be a beast.

The only vert that needs to get made better be a hard top like the M3.

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The cars are so close in performance no one in the regular world could tell difference. I will take the good looking V8 over the ugly 6 cylinder cars. :slight_smile:

Strangely they forgot to mention the 8 cylinders in the Mercedes. :wink:

But the V-6’s redline is only 6,500 rpm, whereas the AMG V-8’s is 7,000 rpm and the M3’s straight-six spins freely all the way to 7,500 rpm.

We collectively love the AMG’s V-8. Forget about power. The sound alone is worth the price stretch. The ATS-V’s engine and exhaust notes are forgettable. The M3’s is synthesized and, while snarling, somehow off the mark. I don’t know how AMG gets its twin-turbo V-8s to sound so aggressive, but I’m happy to report that the new M178 with the snails in the V sounds angry and grumbly, just like a proper N/A V-8.

Granted the price stretch is a bit much. Probably could get a tune and mufflers for $15.5k

2015 BMW M3 2016 Cadillac ATS-V Sedan 2015 Mercedes-AMG C63 S
BASE PRICE $62,995 $61,460 $72,825
PRICE AS TESTED $84,370 $73,570 $89,035

Fair enough. I was just looking at the first part you quoted…

…twin-turbo inline-six BMW weighs only 3,498 pounds, whereas the 503-horse, 516 lb-ft of twist C63 pushes down on the scales with 3,936 pounds. As such, both cars hit 0-60 mph in 4 seconds flat. The AMG manages to just pip the M3 in the quarter mile, 12.2 seconds at 119.5 mph versus 12.3 at 118.1 mph. The Caddy? Well, friends, the 3,788-pound ATS-V with its 464-hp, 445-lb-ft of torque, twin-turbo, 3.6-liter V-6 hits 60 mph in a remarkable 3.7 seconds…

:tup: Now that I’m in a convertible climate, I absolutely love my Caddy but am wishing I could be out in the sun!

That platform already has a vert in the stable. I would never rule anything out.
Granted that platform also has a V8 and possibly a blown V8 (ZL1?) that fits in there as well.

Watched a vid of both ATS-V and new CTS-V on a roadcourse - they looked effin’ quick.