MY Trials and Tribulations learning how to mold and reproduce Fiberglass parts....

So, a while back I purchased a buttload of fiberglass/carbon fiber fabrication supplies and a vaccum pump from Lafengas with hopes to become the next mind-blowing DIYer (LOL, yeah…right. BIG shoes to fill I know). Over the last couple months I got really serious about it and have finally made it to a comfortable spot on the learning curve and have reproduced my first major part that I will be selling sets of on the Focus forums for profits. I figured some of you guys might enjoy the read and the pics of it…

So for starters I needed a part that was fairly simple that I could work with, and I also wanted it to be something I could make profit on down the line as well as something I could use for myself. One day while browsing the focus forums I came accross another fellow in the midst of a Focus RS replica build that had got his hands on the OEM side sill skirts, but they were damaged. I promptly send him a message offering to repair them for free if I could simply borrow them for a couple weeks to make a mold of them. He jumped at the opportunity and these are the results:

Glenn scored these skirts damaged/partially repaired. They came to him missing some mounting tabs and one side was cracked/plastic welded. I offered to repair them for free if I could use them to make a mold to make another set out of fiberglass/kevlar and he jumped on my offer and shipped them to me.
So the first order of business was to use one of the unharmed mounting tabs to create replacement tabs for the other skirts. So I masked the area off to make what I call a mini-mold of the tab


Then I applied my mold material to the tab(after a healthy coat of mold release of course)

Here is the mini-mold after it has cured

how it will create a nice replacement tab for the busted ones:

layed up some fiberglass and kevlar layers into the mini-mold and vacuum bagged overnight to cure (twice, for two replacement tabs)

the replacement tabs


how they fit


Now, to “mount” the tabs, I drilled a few 1/8" holes through the tab and skirt, then used a countersink on the “outsides” of them so that when epoxied, the epoxy would create a self-rivet effect so these CANNOT come back off. I truly think these tabs are not the strongest part of the skirt haha. I held them in place with a machine screw, then removed it and countersunk the whole and epoxied that as well.





The next order of business was to smooth out where I had the holes drilled to mount the tabs, as well as address the cracked/plastic-welded area on the one skirt. This ended up being a gigantic nightmare as whoever did the crack repair used an incorrect material that was MUCH softer than the ABS plastic of the skirt and caused serious issues for me with getting the bodylines correct when sanding the filler.


I didnt take too many more photo’s of this process, because it was rather frustrating…but I had to prime it and guide-coat it multiple times to get it close enough to lay in high-build primer for finishing purposes.

finally got it close after probably 14hrs of sanding/filling/grinding out bad plastic weld/filling/sanding, repeat. Layed in high-build primer:

I have since guide-coated (mist dark rattle-can paint so when the dark color is gone you know you have a straight surface) the skirts…I have to give them a “block-down” which is using a special high density foam black with sticky-backed sand paper on it to get them perfect. then it’s mold-makin’ time and I can ship these back to glenn so he can have them painted on put on!
(I did a proof of concept mold of the foglight bezels, I am going to do a quick lay-up of these to see how a reproduction will come out before deciding if I am going to build the mold for the skirts this way)

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projects like this remind me of how much I hate picking up where someone else left off. for the most part, the skirts blocked out beautifully…except for where that dang plastic weld was done.

Well, long story short…the first mold failed. I learned a valuable lesson…

I thought I had enough material to make the mold, and ran out halfway through…ran out to buy more, and by the time I got back and started to finish it the initial pour had started to cure…I figured it might be ok, but when I pulled the skirts today, it became apparent that the two different pours cured differently. I have to start all over on the mold.

you can see in the pictures how there was a gap and air pockets created by doing two pours. I have to bust out all of this original pour and do another one tomorrow.

Looks good so far!

Busted out the old mold and started over…this is looking MUCH better. should be able to pop them out tomorrow night…

Ok, the mold is finally set and the skirts are pulled. I actually already have them packed up to drop of at fedex to send back to glenn tomorrow.

now, I have to do what’s called “tooling” the mold…basically I have to smooth and straighten the surface now to make up for any imperfections from the molding process. I think I have to buy some more fittings for my bagging setup to be able to vacuum bag something this size, but other than that I’m just about set to go for these!

So I then ordered up a crapton of supplies and set to work

To smooth the surface and simultaneously make the mold stronger I [tried] laying a single layer of kevlar and simultaneously testing out my new bagging rig to make sure it’s going to do both skirts at once…

the bagging rig worked great, but the kevlar wouldnt bond to the foam like it did in my small scale test and being only one layer thick was too flimsy to work with for a mold. I decided to essentially trash this mold, and this is where it got frustrating since I already sent the original parts back to their owner…

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So what I did next was I decided to make a really rough set of skirts out of the terrible foam mold, and planned on fixing them up properly to make a CORRECT mold. Humidity and some issues calculating mixing ratios set me up with a multi-day cure time (oops)
finally got to pop my peice out of my “mold”…thanks to the super long cure time the tape was being VERY stubborn to get off the skirts. what I have to do now to make a better mold is to cut these skirts out of the form, and block-sand and shape them into proper skirts…then make a new mold starting with tooling gel this time. This new mold process is essentially the upside-down of the foam one I started out with. I’ll chalk it up to learning experience…foam on this large of a form isn’t effective as it is on smaller stuff.

The good news is I finished the set of skirts to make the new mold, layed the mold release this morning, and layed the tooling gel about an hour ago. I’ll be headed back out in about 2hrs to set a few layers of fiberglass over the tooling gel to finish the mold, I’ll be able to set up the first set of skirts after work tomorrow FOR SURE this time. I’ll be in contact with each of you as I get sets finished in order of when you got on the list to get final shipping info and everything. should have you all with your skirts within 2weeks time max.

skirts for the plug done

layed up in mold release agent PVA

tooling gel layed on

And for reference, I tested this whole process yesterday on a gauge pod I made to make sure I wouldnt screw up on the large scale of the skirts:



What I learned on the gauge pod is to use way more release agent, and spray it on with the paint gun instead of wipe it on with a clean cotton rag.

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just finished laying the glass for the mold

popped the mold off, I have one last thing to take care of before I can start making the reps…wherever I had a gap between the skirt and the sheet of wood when I layed the mold is bare fiberglass because there was nothing to spread the tooling gel on…so I have to decide how to take care of those bare spots…I think I am going to tape along either side of them and try to sand them a bit, lay a thin coat of filler, and then when the filler dries I may just paint on some tooling gel…which might do me a favor because where I do that it will be textured on the part I pull out, so it will give me a good idea of where to trim the excess.

useless without pics…

So at this point I decided the best thing to do was to cut the mold so that I had a separate mold for each skirt to avoid dealing with the “gap” I ended up with by setting them on a flat surface to make the mold, and I then went and blasted in my mold release agent after a coat of wax, then sprayed a light coat of white gelcoat as seen on bodykits you would normally purchase, followed by a heavy coat of the same gelcoat but rolled on this time with a mini-roller, and then 3 layers of woven fiberglass 10oz matt and one layer of chopped strand matt and extra chopped matt around the mounting locations for strenght

they released from the mold very well, however the mounting tabs on the one skirt have come out a little funny, I think somewhere in the transition they lost their original contour, might just require some sort of spacer or creative hardware to mount. Besides that, they came out excellent…a couple wrinkles in the gelcoat on the one skirt that I need to attend to, then just trim the excess and I’ve got my process down!

:bigtup:

This is awesome

Nice :tup:

I was a little concerned when I read that you were reproducing…other than that the fiberglass looks good!!!

Well, a problem has slowly arisen in the process here and I’m really stumped with what to do now. I’ve made 4 sets of skirts out of the mold now, and each set progressively gets worse with what I can only describe as “wrinkling” in the white gelcoat when I remove the parts from the mold. the first set had barely any, I was super happy. The second set had a bit more which as aggitating but I fixed it up with some sandpaper and body filler. The third set was wrinkled literally the entire edge of the whole perimeter and this really ticked me off. the 4th set I just pulled out and what I found is attached as a .jpg

I don’t know what’s causing this, but I’ve emailed the company I order my supplies from hoping to get some light shed on this. I know not many of you on here dabble in this sort of thing…I wish Lafengas were still here :frowning:

If you have and REAL insight, I’d love to get this figured out. I have a few more orders to fill and this set I just pulled is entirely garbage and getting thrown out. I’d like not to waste any more time and materials…

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Too much mold release (built up from spraying inbetween parts), or bad resin/hardner, and or possible issues with the weather (ambient temperature/humidity effecting the curing); one of the first 2 are the most likely the culprit.

Yeah it’s definitely mold release, it’s probably layering up too much in the mold itself.

So let me start by saying…If ANYONE is EVER going to attempt getting into this sort of thing, I can’t say enough GOOD about Fiberglast.com

I sent them an email with that picture explaining my issues and my process. Someone responded in an HOUR and told me make sure the gelcoat is at least 5mils thick and that I have to apply the fiberglass and resin within 1 hr of the gelcoat hardening for it to properly laminate.

:bigtup:

so I’m going to try that and see what happens.

this seems like a gigantic pain in the dick.
Good luck!

Was thinking the same thing. Not my cup of tea, but it’s people like me that buy your product.

Keep up the good work! :tup:

Well, I took all the advice from the representative from Fiberglast.com and went back at it. They came out EXCELLENT!!!

ONE blemish between the two sideskirts, which are totally seperate layups by the way.

one wrinkle about the size of quarter. This I can deal with. Trim, a 5sec. body filler slick, and ship. I’m a happy camper!

Honda parts time? :slight_smile:

Awesome! I’m glad they worked out, our trip to advance was expensive lol.

yeah, that part sucked. I would been BEYOND pissed if it was another wasted layup, so this was definately what I needed lol

Nice Nick :tup: