Nissan GTR Review I can agree with.

This sums up how I feel about the new supercar…

The GT-R is the blind date everybody’s been telling you about for months: incredible body, second in her class at Harvard, fabulous conversationalist, star athlete. Then you meet her. Yes, she has obvious “assets,” but nobody mentioned the halitosis. She graduated with a B.A. in accounting. She’s a great conversationalist, but her voice sounds like run-flat tires with three-inch sidewalls running over a concrete-aggregate rumble and tar-strip slap. She’s an athlete, but a grunting shot-putter, not a Sharapova. In short, the GT-R is SO not a supermodel.

I spent 1,450 miles inside a Nissan GT-R in early April, flying through the deserts of Nevada and central California. I didn’t notch 193mph, the GT-R’s top speed. But I (or you) could have done so with ease. I decided not to approach this limit to preserve my license. In fact, the Nissan coupe plants itself on the road better than any car I’ve ever driven.

Stretching the GT-R’s legs on an open Nevada two-lane road was so simple that my 28-year-old daughter could repeat the process a few minutes later while I lazed in the right seat. When we passed opposite-direction tandem tractor-trailers on these empty highways, it was as though the GT-R slipped by a Smart. With a Cd of .27 and just enough downforce in all the right places, aerodynamics are apparently a lot of what allows this car to go so fast so easily.

If there’s anything to criticize about the GT-R’s handling— I also spent an afternoon with the car lapping the mickey mouse Reno-Fernley Raceway— it’s the steering. While the helm’s quick and precise, it’s strangely numb and electric-feeling. The Japanese still have a lot to learn from Porsche here, but the GT-R is ridiculously nimble for a two-tonner (with driver and gas).

2009_gt-r021.jpgTwo of the car’s most highly touted features baffle me, though. One is the endlessly configurable instrument display, called-up via the nav screen. Nissan readily admits that it “was inspired by videogames.” It’s not what you’d call useful– unless you’re intent on studying steering-wheel deflection, slip angle, transmission-oil pressure and brake-pedal position while late-apexing an off-ramp. It’s the geek equivalent of the complex chronographs of the 19th century: pocket watches that read out everything from the tides to your mistress’s menstrual cycle.

The GT-R’s fiddly “launch mode” for maximum acceleration (meaning turbo spool-up) is also a curiosity. It will amuse those who haven’t an ounce of mechanical sensibility who don’t mind abusing machinery. Actual GT-R owners will use it a few times to amuse the neighbors, and then will realize that they’re still making payments on the $70,000+ appliance they’re brutalizing. Even Nissan told me to only use it “once or twice.”

For me, the car’s tires are the biggest turnoff. Quick! Name a single benefit to run-flats. They’re noisy, expensive, difficult to repair and can only dismount with special machinery. I don’t have a spare in my 911 either, since a fuel cell fills the trunk, but I use Ride-On to seal its tires permanently. (No, Ride-On has nothing in common with Slime or Fix-a-Flat.) The Bridgestones on the GT-R are so loud they negate the Bose sound system; a Costco Kenwood would have sufficed amid the din.

Obviously, this car’s numbers– whether we’re talking racetrack lap times, zero to sixty or MSRP– are stunning. We all know that GT-Rs are lapping the Nordschleife faster and faster, that they out-accelerate Porsche Turbos and ZO6s and cost $69,850 (plus “market adjustment fees…”). There’s a lot to like about this car, but is it the ultimate, the Godzilla, the Nurburgring killa?

Who cares? Acquiring a supercar, rather than fantasizing about one, faces the buyer with a decision with vastly more to do with real-world attributes than with video games, bad movies and teen fetishes. (Admittedly, the last video game I played was Space Invaders.) It fascinated me that nobody in Nevada or California noticed the GT-R, other than carwash attendants, 14-year-olds with mullets and every parking valet in Vegas. The rest of the world walked on by, assuming they’d encountered a new Toyota Supra.

Seventeen years ago, the first Japanese supercar arrived in the States: the Acura NSX. Fabulous numbers, a half-price Ferrari, buff-book craziness, slavering car writers, rumored to be the benchmark for the McLaren F1, development work by Ayrton Senna… So where did the NSX go? Ultimately, it became the orthodontist’s car, when the world went back to buying Porsches and real Ferraris. Care to take bets on what will happen to the GT-R?

Bottom line: the car world may have gone cuckoo for Coco Puffs over the GT-R but it’s ultimately a pointless, nerdy, twin-turbo, electronics-laden technological curiosity.

fuck yeah!

I agree with the writer that it will go the way of the NSX. But is that such a bad thing? You’ll have less people trying to steal the car, you’ll cause less accidents, and you will still have a very amazing car. Sounds more like the writer is an “old timer” and doesn’t want to realize that the times are changing. IMO, the GTR is being marketed to the same group that can afford the Z06. People who are upper middle class and want a good performing car. If someone has the money to buy a ferrari or a porsche, they will, but they are buying the name as much as they are the car.

how can you agree with a review on a car you have never even driven the GTR? you are just happy someone said something bad about the GTR. I think most of the people reviewing the gtr’s were skeptics until they drove it. you can keep your eyes closed, your ears plugged and keep acting like its not real, but the GTR seems to be as good as they say it is, based on everyones opinion except for this old guy.

^^Totally agree…

I agree too, I’m sick of hearing how great it is. Wanted SOMEone to say it was shitty.

I agree with Mike… All these people are just haters, and didn’t like the car anyway…

Have you driven a GTR? Have you seen one in person? Any of them, of any generation?

We’re all basing our opinions of this thing on what journalists have to say about it. The review stated that the car is an amazing piece of tech, and that, despite this, the reviewer didn’t prefer it. He didn’t say it was a lousy car.

Since we’re all on a level playing field here, regarding the GTR, I’d like to go out on a limb and say it’s an ugly brick. JDM-Import types are fast to jump on its bandwagon, same as Domestic guys are quick on the draw about ZR1s and CTS-Vs. It’s endemic of the same desire for something we haven’t got or can’t have.

Unfortunately the GTR appeals to a crowd of video gamers whose think that performance means throwing more turbos at a car. The fact is, the underlying belief in why JDM stuff was somehow technologically superior was that it was small, light and had a high specific output. The GTR is neither small nor light, and its specific output (stock, showroom) is not 500 HP per liter.

Could it make that? Possibly, if you pump exotic race fuel into it and you’re willing to replace the parts you’re going to scatter. More turbos will not make it less ugly or more accessible to John Everyman.

Three words, old man:

Don’t hate- appreciate.

Come on now, even without him bringing his 28 year old daughter into the story, I could smell the generation gap a mile away. The GT-R is being heavily touted as a take-no-prisoners go fast tool that will allow anyone to drive fast anytime, anywhere (to paraphrase Nissan). No one argues with this.

Does it have some superfluous gadgetry, as he mentions? You betcha. Does it weigh as much as a Cadillac? Yes sir. Was it built to set the world on fire with “pure steering feel”? Give me a break, man, the car, with all its gadgetry is about as pure as a night out at Scores. But it will get you results (unlike most nights at Scores).

Yet why must this guy compare to a Porsche, and then mention his “fuel-cell equipped” Porsche? If he is indeed a die hard racer who’s not afraid of change or evolution, wouldn’t he be praising the car more for what it can do, rather than highlighting that it’s a useful tool for picking up 14 year old boys in the desert?

I mean, when you do a flying lap on a two minute circuit and beat your boy’s 500 hp __________’s (insert almost any car here) time by five seconds, is it cool if he comes up to you and says “Yo but my car had more steering FEEL though so take that!”

No!

Lastly, I don’t think anyone really expects GT-Rs to turn heads the way more “exotic” machinery would. These people (and the author) are expecting too much. Not to mention, it’s not like the sight of a Porsche in LA is anything special, either.

And what’s wrong with driving a car that real enthusiasts recognize and give props to rather than be seen in an Italian doorstop that only begs three questions “how much?”, “what do you do for a living?”, and “hey papi do you like mami?”

In the end, it sounds a lot to me like this guy’s race prepped Porsche couldn’t lay down lap times equivalent to what the stock GT-R may have done at the track where he races.

Yep, smells like an old fart… And a lot of sour grapes to me.

“In the end, it sounds a lot to me like this guy’s race prepped Porsche couldn’t lay down lap times equivalent to what the stock GT-R may have done at the track where he races.”

Actually, the GTR doesn’t beat MotorTrend’s performance specs for the 911 Turbo. Ring lap? Sure. Not it’s real-world/track times though.

The author could be Hurley Haywood for all I know and lay waste to anything with his 911… I am just exaggerating my point to state that I think he may be a Porsche guy, which is fine. It just shows through in his writing.

I don’t mean to say Ring time is everything either- it doesn’t mean much, except to a racer I guess (which I think this guy is).

As for one track time I do know of, how about the 911 T vs. GT-R at Buttonwillow? That’s a 2 minute road course. I’m sure there’ll be more times to come at real courses, esp. after people start getting them in June.

http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-neil16apr16,0,1179971.story watch the video of him driving it.

the ring lap is the standard these companies live by. the skylines history has been to compete against the porsche 911 turbo at the ring.

I don’t have the plug-in to watch the video. Good article, though…

The Skyline GT-R is a glory machine as any other car of it’s kind is. It’s an electronics-laden machine with enough circuitry to make Langley’s network look sparse in comparison. As stated above it’s a all around bang for the buck supercar that just about anyone can jump into an look good out on the track with. I could probably drive that car flat out at Watkins Glen with no trouble, take turn 10 flat. Doesn’t make it a bad car, just a boring one for a small minority of diehard track go-ers who look for fun spirited and involved driving rather than how small of a lap time they can achieve, myself included.

It’s a good car for what it was designed for and fits it’s target market well. Those saying it will die out like the NSK “did” are just smoking crack. The NSX never died out, just like the rest of the skylines and supras and crazy jap tuner cars of the like. They’re still highly popular and collectable as any Ferrari or Porsche. It just doesn’t click with the prestigue of the Porsche/Ferrari/BMW/Aston Martin etc etc group that makes up 60% of the worlds racing heritage and culture, thus the bashing you see from this guys article. The truth is in fact that 75% of Porsche owners don’t want to acknowledge a car of lesser value that can spank their car on the track. Hell, this happens amongst Porsche owners themselves at PCA events now and then.

Personally I think the car is pretty cool shit, but for $70K I’d rather buy a used GT3 and have a much more fun, abeit slower, drive around the “ring”.

And these “ring” lap times are pretty bogus anyway as the times in all the cars are done by various drivers of different skill and experience on the track, different track conditions(temps, humidity, etc) and the sheer fact that the track surface is always changing on that course. They’re ALWAYS doing repairs and work on it and as such areas for tire adhesion and braking traction always change so the times can never be completely consistent. The “ring” makes LRP’s track surface look good…

…the R35 GT-R that just competed in the One Lap of America race this past week still didn’t come close to beating Mark Davia in his Porsche 996 Turbo…just food for thought

as much as im a nissan freak, i think this car has got too much hype. Just think when toyota unveils the supra for 09-10, thats probebly gunna be bigger than this. sure its the first time the Nissan “R” chassis is allowed in the states, but who cares, its just another car. like boxer said its a bang for your buck super car. and people are taking that outta context when i think the price is under 100K, that is SUPER resonable for a car of that magnatude. If you wanna complain so much, go buy a buggati veyron for a 1 million+

There are some things you can take other people’s word for. I have never been in a 1000hp Supra but if somebody else has and they tell me that it’s fast, I’d be inclined to take their word for it.

Non of us have been in the car nor probably be in the car ever, yet we all have our opinions about it and until this point I was yet to find a review that was to match my opinion of it, until now.

Thank you.

Nissan can design a car that would drive itself around the ring using the GPS faster then anything else out there. You would get in, press a button and enjoy the show without having to do anything but make sure your coffee doesn’t spill as you’re going around. I for one would rather lap a box van around the 'ring with a manual transmission and drive it myself then let a bunch of electronics do it for me.

I’m going to jog the goddamn Green Hell with a head full of acid and my cock in my hand.

GTR be damned. Electronics couldn’t save Barry Newman, they can’t save me from myself.

Via con dios, cocksuckers!