no casino for Buffalo.....

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You are obviously missing my main point. It is the money that is sucked out of the community, not the money that will be spent by the city, although I do believe the city is responsible for the road/sidewalk infrastructure and maintenance, not to mention the increase in social services.

Based on my rough numbers that I have gotten from studies and reports from the seneca nation, as well as publications such as business first, I see the Casino giving back up to $80 million of the $400,000,000+ it should product in revenues. ($70 million in salaries, and 7 million max in the single digit percentage of slot revenues)

This leaves a rough $320 million pulled out of our community per year. Obviously there are other factors, but the harsh reality is that this project would not exist if it wasn’t a ridiculously unfair deal in favor of the seneca nation.

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How much did the Sabres give back from their ticket sales? How much does the Chop House give back for that 32 oz ribeye? The casino is just another business where people can spend money. You act like the money spent at the casino is being taken from the people of WNY without their consent, like a tax. They’re choosing to go there and spend this money on entertainment and dining.

You’re so concerned about the casino’s revenue being tax free. When the Sabres sell 30 million in tickets they only contribute 2.6 million in sales tax.

Great example of the numbers:

Assemblywoman Francine DelMonte (D-Lewiston) announced the Seneca Nation of Indians will make a $135.6 million payment to New York State today. The payment includes revenue for 2006 and the first half of 2007. Bi-annual payments are now required under the terms of the compact.

Show me another business contributing that kind of money, sales tax or otherwise, to the community. You’d have to do 1.4 billion in taxable sales to get that amount in sales tax.

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I’m not missing your point. I wan’t to know the basis for one of your main points in regards to how much the casino will pull out of the community.

Do you know the numbers or not?

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lol In God we trust…

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And i am specifically speaking to any outlay by the City of Buffalo and / or Erie County services.

Road maintenance
Increase in police presence
Street cleanup crew
Road improvements
Infrastructure supply services (water, electric, etc) that the public will foot the bill for.

IIRC when the HSBC was built, these public expenses were well publicized. So, again, I assume that you know what they would be for the proposed casino grounds.

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Any historical proof of a casino running other businesses out of town?

I don’t see that happening. As is, people are just driving further to go to casinos. If anything, I’d have to believe more businesses could flourish as those same people skip going to Niagara Falls, or Allegheny and end up downtown.

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I was going to open a pawn shop down there.:gotme:

108

More vacant buildings??? You realize its Canal project(Brand new) -> Arena(not going anywhere) -> New apartments(brand new) -> Parking lot -> Casino -> Projects

Does this mean there will be empty projects? because thats not a bad thing…

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hmm, i wouldnt be totally opposed to playing some dice on my lunch. this could be useful.

110

God that would be the best, just demo all the projects!!!

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Its not just sales tax, its a load of other taxes, including property, bed, etc.

And its not just the taxes, it’s the unfair advantage this gives them over every single other business in Buffalo…

The sabres also don’t keep patrons from surrounding businesses, they are the catalyst that allows surrounding businesses to exist. This is a terrible example.

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Its not just sales tax, its a load of other taxes, including property, bed, etc.

And its not just the taxes, it’s the unfair advantage this gives them over every single other business in Buffalo…

The sabres also don’t keep patrons from surrounding businesses, they are the catalyst that allows surrounding businesses to exist. This is a terrible example. Not to mention the food vendors and just about every service inside the arena is outsourced to other area businesses like Delaware North.

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No, you were mistaken in thinking that this was one of my MAIN points.

And I do not know the number.

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So if I drop $200 to go see a Sabres game that money didn’t come at the expense of some other entertainment option in Buffalo? The wife and I are doing pretty well but we don’t have an unlimited entertainment budget, especially with cost of living going up faster than salaries. Chances are if I drop $200 on Sabres tickets I’m not also going to hit up the Chop House, or a Bills game that week.

Yes, the casino is a one stop shop, and they have an advantage of being tax free. Their prices are still similar though. I’m a horrible example because I have no interest at all in giving my money away at a casino, but my co-worker who lives in the Falls goes at least once a month. Sometimes he does eat there was well, but he still goes out to other restaurants as well. It’s not like people are going to say “I can eat tax free at the casino, so that will be the only place I ever eat again”.

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As i read this:

I saw infrastructure as A PART OF your main point.

Ok.

How about this then:

How many like busninesses surround the casino site?

With respect to hotels, restaurants, and showplaces or active theatres?

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^ Do grain elevators count as businesses?

117

I quit.

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Whole lot of speculation up in hurrr.

Time will tell. We’re getting a Casino. We’ll see what happens. I’m guessing something along the lines of “nothing much at all.”

Oh well, should be a cool looking building. As long as it doesn’t disturb the flight path of the north american mosquito.

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The law was misinterpreted by the Seneca, the ruling will not be over turned unless they can change the law.

bye bye casino

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:lol: And your years as an attorney have spoken. http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/images/smilies/bowdown.gif

<---- Going to feel like an ass if he really is an attorney.