Rent Vs. Buy Myths That Ruined the Housing Market

> Potential buyers bought into all sorts of rent vs. buy myths to justify buying houses that they could not afford during the boom. Now that the U.S. housing market is in shambles, people are starting to realize that renting may not be a dirty word after all. > Myth #1: Renting is Like Throwing Your Money Away
   			Buyers throw their money away for the first five years they own a home, because they simply give money to the bank for the privilege of borrowing money. Renters, on the other hand, pay for one thing every month: shelter. They don't pay interest to the bank, property taxes or maintenance fees. They pay rent.
   			Smart renters also take the money they save by renting and invest it somewhere else. Since the average renter saves hundreds of dollars every month, they can afford to invest in stocks, bonds and other vehicles that have a better rate of return.
   			<b> Myth #2: There are Tax Benefits to Owning</b>
   			Contrary to popular belief, buyers do not get back the mortgage interest they paid throughout the year at tax time. Mortgage interest can only be deducted from taxable income. This essentially means that buyers pay a dollar just to save 30 cents.
   			Furthermore, deducting interest has no tax advantage unless a buyer pays so much in interest that the amount exceeds the standard deduction that everyone--including renters--is allowed to take.
   			When it comes to owning, the only guarantee is that buyers will be required to pay property taxes. Since renters are not required to pay any taxes on the property they rent, it seems downright foolish to factor the 'tax benefits' of owning into a buying decision.
   			<b> Myth #3: It Doesn't Cost Any More to Buy Than It Does to Rent</b>
   			People can usually rent a home by paying first month's rent, last month's rent and possibly a security deposit. All the money that is paid initially actually goes towards monthly payment obligations, with the exception of the security deposit, which is nearly always returned to the renter in the end.
   			When a person <i>buys</i> a home, the money that is paid upfront is more significant and may or may not be seen again. For example, a buyer must pay closing costs (typically five percent of the loan amount) and real estate agent commission (typically six percent of the loan amount) before being called a homeowner. This 11 percent 'investment' ensures that the home must appreciate by at least 11 percent before the buyer can hope to break even.
   			Initial costs aside, there are also other costs a buyer is responsible for that a renter is not, such as mortgage interest, property taxes, insurance and maintenance. These costs can add up and may even increase significantly over the years.
   			<b> Myth #4: Buyers Have Assets, Renters Do Not</b>
   			At best, buyers have depreciating assets. Home prices are falling in nearly every area of the country. An estimated 50 percent of the buyers whose loans were originated after 2002 now owe more than their homes are worth.
   			Homeowners who have been paying on their homes for ten years or more are seeing their equity disappear. This means that the 'investment' they made through mortgage payments is gone--dried up virtually overnight through no fault of their own.
   			Renters may not co-own a home with a lender, but this doesn't mean that they don't have assets. Many renters have a large and prosperous portfolio, Star Wars collectibles (just an example) and other assets that can be sold IMMEDIATELY for cash. The reason they own these things is because they haven't been paying a lender to 'rent' money so that they could pretend like they own an asset.
   			<b>Myth #5: Houses are a Good Investment</b>
   			During the housing boom, everyone thought that housing was a great investment. Many people bought under the assumption that home prices go up, not down. The result of this madness is the biggest foreclosure crisis in the history of the United States.
   			The reality is that housing is not an investment. It's shelter. That is all housing has ever been. Self-serving organizations like the National Association of Realtors like to tell people that buying a home is a good way to build long-term wealth, but this statement couldn't be further from the truth.
   			Although home prices can go up (and down), the rate of appreciation on housing does not surpass inflation levels over the long-term. Between 1890 and 2004, [the real return on housing](http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/Why_Investing_in_Stocks_Instead_of_a_House_Will_Make_You_Richer.html) was a pathetic 0.4 percent per year over the last 100 years, according to Robert Shiller, a housing expert and Yale economist.
   			Real estate investments aren't that much better over the short-term. The gain in new home prices over the last 20 years has been a mere fraction of the Dow's gain. The average person investing in stocks between 1987 and 2007 would have made more money than the average person who bought a new home in 1987.

Discuss.

#1. Assuming you’re going to rent something similar to a house because you want a yard and garage, renting is just as expensive per month as buying, but without building equity, so #1 = fail. If you’re renting a 2 bedroom apartment in Buffalo vs buying a 4 bedroom house in Williamsville sure, there are money savings but lets compare apples to apples.

#2. I don’t know anyone making mortgage payments who doesn’t meet the standard deduction, so #2 = fail. Even before the wife and I had a kid we met the standard deduction once we bought a home.

#3. They greatly inflated their numbers. I paid nothing to my buyers agent when I bought my house. The seller paid 3% to sell it. Closing costs have already more than been paid for in appreciation, so #3 = fail.

#4. They’re using a tiny fraction of home sales for their calculation. Sure, if you look at just the people who bought overvalued homes during the boom, and look at their value today, it looks bad. The vast majority of homeowners don’t fall into this category though. Number 4 = fail.

#5. Just repeating #4. They couldn’t even come up with 5 unique myths when they were lieing. #5 = epic fail.

one word… equity

This guy right here is still buying a house.

Also it is not these myths that ruined our housing market. Its that fact that the people who bought the houses spent more then they could afford. Plain and simple people took on too much debt all over the place because they are stupid. It was not thay were duped by some myth lol.

You rent your depreciating assets and you buy your appreciating ones.
People who bought in at peak price and had to sell out low when the market corrected itself are the exception, not the rule. Long term, housing goes up.

Between super low mortgage rates, inflation, devaluation, and the supply excess from foreclosures and forced sales, there is a killing to be made in real estate very shortly from now. I like hype like this because it keeps demand down.

equity +1

there was a much better thread about this months ago… please hold.

that was laugable…

QFT … that was one of the dumbest things i’ve seen posted here Post 1 = FAIL

It only failed because dozr didn’t mention the grain mills.

HAHA one of my friends the other day was telling me about how he thinks it is a bad decision that i am buying a home and tried giving me some of the benefits of renting. My response was “bro… you live in a shoebox, i’ll take my chances.”

also another little fact, rent = variable
How much will rent cost 20 years from now.:gotme:
I know what my payment will be because I have a fixed rate which anyone with a brain should have(save the super wealthy).

the concept is pretty simple…

you rent—> you own 0% of the shelter. but you still pay for taxes, maintenance, interest, and the home itself with the money thats going to the landlord.

you buy—> you own a percentage of the shelter. and with every mortgage payment you make that percentage increases. EQUITY

how would rental properties be such a profitable business if the guy living there was paying out less money than the guy that owns the house? this guy probably thinks leasing a car makes better financial sense.

i think renting anywhere makes sense, except in WNY where houses are so cheap

ugh im so KNOWLEDGEABLE

and here I thought most on this board lives with mommy & daddy still :gotme:

maybe 'rents vs. buying thread should be started…

oh i’m sure they pay mom / dad “rent” :roll:

I see the light, I’m gonna sell my house and everything in it, and move into a motel 6 for the rest of my life. I won’t even have to clean up after myself.

X…

Umm i think you are correct with your thinking that most on here live with mommy & daddy. Most of these people are much more concerned with how much debt they can afford to go in for a new whip then saving to put down on a home. These will be the same people to argue pro renting.

the thing i find funny, is that people dont just realize that renting is a business venture, and homes are rented with profits going to the home owner… So how on earth could renting be cheaper then buying… just a thought…