im sorry , but that is never what i asked u , for years before we ever even met u vince was getting cages done by yoour father , we would take material, and he would bend it up, done and done , why would i pay u $800 when material cost $200 and your father would charge us close to fuck all to bend it approx $100 bucks ya know seeing as there is what 8 bends to make? and we install it ourselves