$$: Saving is Sin, Spending is Virtue

Food for thought, for alot of members here.

[quote=“Twat Waffle”"]

‘SAVING IS SIN, SPENDING IS VIRTUE’

– Written by an Indian Economist

Japanese save a lot. They do not spend much. Also Japan exports far more
than it imports. Has an annual trade surplus of over $100 billions. Yet Japanese economy is considered weak, even collapsing. Americans spend, save little. Also US import more than it exports. Has an annual trade deficit of over $400 billion. Yet, the American economy is considered strong and trusted to get stronger.
But where from do Americans get money to spend? They borrow from Japan , China and even India . Virtually others save for the US to spend. Global savings are mostly invested in US, in dollars. India itself keeps its foreign currency assets of over $50 billions in US securities. China has sunk over $160 billion in US securities. Japan
's stakes in US securities is in trillions.

Result:

The US has taken over $5 trillion from the world. So, as the world saves
for the US , Americans spend freely. Today, to keep the US consumption
going, that is for the US economy to work, other countries have to remit
$180 billion every quarter, which is $2 billion a day, to the US ! Otherwise the US economy would go for a six. So will the global economy. The result will be no different if US consumers begin consuming less. A Chinese economist asked a neat question. Who has invested more, US in China , or China in US? The US has invested
in China less than half of what China has invested in US. The same is the case with India . We have invested in US over $50 billion. But the US has invested less than $20 billion in India. Why the world is after US?

The secret lies in the American spending, that they hardly save. In fact they use their credit cards to spend their future income. That the US spends is what makes it attractive to export to the US. So US imports more than what it exports year after year.

The result:

The world is dependent on US consumption for its growth. By its deepening culture of consumption, the US has habituated the world to feed on US consumption. But as the US needs money to finance its consumption, the world provides the money. It’s like a shopkeeper providing the money to a customer so that the customer keeps buying from the shop. If the customer will not buy, the shop won’t have business, unless the shopkeeper funds him. The US is like the lucky customer. And the world is like the helpless shopkeeper financier. Who is America’s biggest shopkeeper financier? Japan of course. Yet its Japan which is regarded as weak. Modern economists complain that Japanese do not spend, so they do not grow. To force the Japanese to spend, the Japanese government exerted it self, reduced the savings rates, even charged the savers. Even then the Japanese did not spend (habits don’t
change, even with taxes, do they?). Their traditional postal savings alone is over $1.2 trillions, about three times the Indian GDP. Thus, savings, far from being the strength of Japan, has become its pain. Hence, what is the lesson?

That is, a nation cannot grow unless the people spend, not save. Not just
spend, but borrow and spend. Dr. Jagdish Bhagwati, the famous Indian-born
economist in the US, told Manmohan Singh that Indians wastefully save.
Ask them to spend, on imported cars and, seriously, even on cosmetics! This will put India on a growth curve. ‘Saving is sin, and spending is virtue.’ Before you follow this neo economics, get some fools to save so that you can borrow from them and spend.
This is what US has successfully done in last few decades.

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"Twat Waffle "…lol

i’ll stay on the spending side, i’m riding this one out

Great find, Nick… Interesting.

I guess I don’t totally understand the theory. Is it just a deeper understanding of “You’ve got to spend money to make money?”

More facts would make it more interesting.
Who is the author?

Good read, pretty interesting stuff. I think I’ll buy another TV on the way home tonight. “I’m saving America, beeotch…” :stuck_out_tongue:

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I guess I don’t totally understand the theory. Is it just a deeper understanding of “You’ve got to spend money to make money?”

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spending money makes the economy strong. Saving money weakens the economy because no one is buying stuff.

Basically the US spends so much that we borrow money from other countries then turn around and buy their own stuff. Since we continue to spend money to buy stuff we are helping our economy. Where as they are weakening because instead of buying stuff they are saving it and letting us borrow it. Therefore they are dependent on us continuing to buy their stuff since they aren’t. If they stop lending money or we stop buying their stuff we both are basically fucked.

[quote=“AWDrifter,post:6,topic:31646"”]

More facts would make it more interesting.
Who is the author?

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I agree, though i’m not going to dig up the #s, its not that slow at work. Oh, and I don’t know who the author is… I saw it as an opinion piece with some good meat.

[quote=“BikerFry,post:5,topic:31646"”]

I guess I don’t totally understand the theory. Is it just a deeper understanding of “You’ve got to spend money to make money?”

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American consumerism drives the global economy.
If American’s stopped wasting money hand over fist, the economies of many other major countries would crumble - because consumers amongst them do not spend their earnings / assets.
Thereby, The average asian resident living “frugally” (or smartly) is what is making the American economy so strong, in the eyes & opinions of analysts & economists.

Mind you, this piece is from the perspective of an Asian (India) economist supposedly.

This is the reason the US govt won’t do anything about China and all of the imports to the US.
It will come back to bite us soon enough.
Therefore biting the entire world economy.
It works both ways.

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This is the reason the US govt won’t do anything about China and all of the imports to the US.
It will come back to bite us soon enough.
Therefore biting the entire world economy.
It works both ways.

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in a nutshell, that is correct. Mr.AWDOrdersLotsOfPartsFromChinaBecauseWalmartSellsGroceriesNow.

[quote=“Nikuk,post:11,topic:31646"”]

in a nutshell, that is correct. Mr.AWDOrdersLotsOfPartsFromChinaBecauseWalmartSellsGroceriesNow.

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:biglaugh: WTF does that even mean?

[quote=“AWDrifter,post:12,topic:31646"”]

:biglaugh: WTF does that even mean?

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http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23916&highlight=walmart+produce

[quote=“AWDrifter,post:24,topic:22862"”]

I just placed a very large order for parts from China.:gotme:

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Not that I don’t agree with you, or that post.