[quote=“BikerFry,post:40,topic:27145"”]
You really thought that one through didn’t you? :roll2:
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yes… i would also like to add Turningstone:headbang:
Ah yes, another casino that has spawned incredible economic growth and development around it. :cjerk:
[quote=“MicaH”"]
BANG
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=46875
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I just got the call from my dad. He is a friend of the family and was at my wedding last year. 
This is not funny at all. His business was starting to fail, he was in a lot of debt to a booky, his wife left him and his kids wouldn’t speak to him, utlimately leading to deep depression and suicide.
:mamoru: this is my favorite smiley
Tis a good one. Although I think my favorite is 87fox’s “no” head-shake smiley. He oughta be in here to post it right about…
[quote=“dezod,post:43,topic:27145"”]
I just got the call from my dad. He is a friend of the family and was at my wedding last year.
This is not funny at all. His business was starting to fail, he was in a lot of debt to a booky, his wife left him and his kids wouldn’t speak to him, utlimately leading to deep depression and suicide.
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sorry dude that sucks
[quote=“BikerFry,post:45,topic:27145"”]
Tis a good one. Although I think my favorite is 87fox’s “no” head-shake smiley. He oughta be in here to post it right about…
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If you think I am here just to satisfy your custom smiley demands, well you sir are sorely mistaken. It’s not going to happen.
[quote=“dezod,post:43,topic:27145"”]
I just got the call from my dad. He is a friend of the family and was at my wedding last year.
This is not funny at all. His business was starting to fail, he was in a lot of debt to a booky, his wife left him and his kids wouldn’t speak to him, utlimately leading to deep depression and suicide.
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sorry to hear man
[quote=“Johnnylude,post:30,topic:27145"”]
Im actually surprised suicides due to gambling loss doesnt occur more often… esp with the Falls a few blocks away.
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it does. its kept on the hush. :snky:
um, hello? its funded by money in the area that otherwise WOULD BE BEING SPENT ON NOTHING PRODUCTIVE. so, i’d rather see people working SOME KIND of jobs, instead of being lazy worthless unemployed societal leeches.
miost casino jobs, while maybe not all GREAT PAYING, are well above the minimum wage and would work find for buffalo cost of living.
and to the person who knows who this guy was… i’m sure he showed signs of the issues… if his family left him… maybe he was just past the point of no return? it sucks that it happens, but it’s life. you either deal with it and fight back or give up.
[quote=“BikerFry,post:34,topic:27145"”]
It doesn’t help people in the area.
Those minimum wage jobs are funded by local money. I.E. money that’s already here. Hence: No economic advancement. Also as dozr mentioned, there is no evidence that it helps the area. If it created all these local jobs, wouldn’t the area around the Seneca Niagara be less of a shithole now than before the casino opened?
It’s a nice idea, but the theory is flawed and the evidence is lacking so there’s really nothing but blind faith to support the idea. :gotme:
IMO anyways. I can only think of 2 ways that the Casino would be a good idea:
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Belief that it would in fact bring in outside tourism, thus bringing in more money. (I don’t believe this will happen. Why would anyone go to a Casino in a rundown city rather than 1 20 minutes away at 1 of the 7 wonders of the world, either the domestic one or 2 minutes over the border at an established tourism area?)
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Belief that it could do some good within the Buffalo economy by evenly redistributing what money is already here. Essentially taking money from the rich and putting it in the hands of the poorer workers there. Maybe this happens. I don’t know. But again, there’s no evidence that this is going on to any worthwhile extent in the falls. I’d be more inclined to believe that it actually does just the opposite, taking money from the poor who are too stupid to not gamble with it and putting it in the hands of the rich casino owners.
:gotme:
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So what about the 12 million dollar check the falls got last year, or the even bigger check they’re getting this year?
The anti-casino people point to the fact that NF is still shitty and try to argue that casino’s don’t help. Bullshit. It’s a start, not a magic wand. Want proof that a casino works; look across the river. Clifton Hill was NOWHERE NEAR what is today before the casino. That fact is that side was always better than the US side, so the effects of the casino happened faster. NF US was already VERY far gone because of people like the anti-casino movement who fight any time anything new is attempted to be done.
However, things are starting to turn around in NF as well. Those casino checks are going toward advertising and street repairs. A giant hotel just popped up, which provided construction jobs, hotel jobs etc.
A casino downtown, with the other waterfront development, could do for downtown what clifton hill has done for NF Ontario. Compulsive gamblers will get their gambling fix regardless of a downtown casino being built or not, especially with other casinos, lottery, scratch off tickets, and OTB’s available.
Using the mentality that you shouldn’t build a casino because some people will not be able to control their gambling is like saying we should ban alcohol because of alcoholics.
[quote=“MicaH,post:29,topic:27145"”]
well i agree with badazzss, look at all the jobs it creates… you cant say that doesnt help people in the area
EDIT: and also for people thinkin about metal detectors at casinos… imagine all the CHANGE that has to be put in those little dishes, it would get out of hand, id shoot myself if i had to wait in line for old ladies playin slots…oh :shoot:
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The jobs are the ONLY good thing, but its debatable to whether that makes it worthwhile or not. The issue being… we are more than likely going to be spending many times more money at the casino than will be pumped back into the economy through salaries. The “rebate” on the earnings of the casino is next to nothing… so when you do the math, they are still draining the local economy of local funds.
Casinos do NOT spawn other businesses, period. Go to NF, NY as I suggested… that casino has had time to mature, and its a ghetto surrounding it. Look at atlantic city, or any other failed city that looked to Casinos as their saving grace. They are still dumps, and worse off than ever.
A casino is specifically designed to make it next to impossible for any nearby businesses to survive in a city like Buffalo or NF, NY. Its a 24 hour operation with no windows and no clocks. It contains restaurants, hotels, entertainment, gambling, parking and shopping. They create an atmosphere where one never has to leave the casino for anything, even the parking ramps are designed so one never has to see anything other than the casino.
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I feel bad for this mans family and friends, but for him, I have no remorse.
Any pussy can take the easy way out.
[quote=“JayS,post:51,topic:27145"”]
So what about the 12 million dollar check the falls got last year, or the even bigger check they’re getting this year?
The anti-casino people point to the fact that NF is still shitty and try to argue that casino’s don’t help. Bullshit. It’s a start, not a magic wand. Want proof that a casino works; look across the river. Clifton Hill was NOWHERE NEAR what is today before the casino. That fact is that side was always better than the US side, so the effects of the casino happened faster. NF US was already VERY far gone because of people like the anti-casino movement who fight any time anything new is attempted to be done.
However, things are starting to turn around in NF as well. Those casino checks are going toward advertising and street repairs. A giant hotel just popped up, which provided construction jobs, hotel jobs etc.
A casino downtown, with the other waterfront development, could do for downtown what clifton hill has done for NF Ontario. Compulsive gamblers will get their gambling fix regardless of a downtown casino being built or not, especially with other casinos, lottery, scratch off tickets, and OTB’s available.
Using the mentality that you shouldn’t build a casino because some people will not be able to control their gambling is like saying we should ban alcohol because of alcoholics.
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Thats like telling me that buying a $3500 TV is a great deal because I get a 12 dollar rebate.
And nowhere did I say that I was against the casino because of gambling addicts.
A casino is a great way to tax people who suck at math and probability.
And NYS got a much larger check that 12 million. NF only gets 1/4th the state’s share.
I see the arguement of “It’s all local dollars” all the time. I can make that arguement against any business you want to put in WNY though. Bass Pro will be people spending local dollars. A new restaurant is local dollars. All those people buying Sabres tickets are local dollars. Giving people options of where to spend there money is never a bad thing, unless you’re against capitalism. If that’s the case, you obviously love Buffalo the way it is and you’re part of the problem, not the solution.
i’d just like to add that i’m up about 3000 dollars up and have never left down more than 50 dollars.
^ thats pretty solid. most i ever spent was about $ 150, and i’m probably up about 1k total over the course of a few years. never hit big but never lost big. i don’t know how people can gamble away money that they don’t have.
[quote=“JayS,post:54,topic:27145"”]
I can make that arguement against any business you want to put in WNY though.
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Sure if you only look at retail and service. How about high tech manufacturing and knowledge work?
OGSI, Springville Manufacturing, K Technologies, Zeptometrix, Schlyer Machine, Avox Systems, Taylor Devices, Wilson Greatbatch, Praxair Technology Center, Moog, AirSep, etc etc etc. These companies help the Buffalo area economy because they take local’s time and talent and turn it into a product to sell to the world outside of buffalo, thus bringing money IN.
When I get right down to it I don’t give a flying fuck if we have a casino or not, other than for the fact that it steals resources that should be devoted to the real problem that big manufacturing is leaving and Buffalo needs to find a new way to bring money IN.
While tourism can help, I think we need to put first things first. If we can encourage the growth of small high tech manufacturing and knowledge work in the area, then the city will get nicer and a complementary tourism industry will follow.
Maybe I’m wrong and you can grow a successful tourism industry in an otherwise failing city. :gotme:
I may be up lifetime at the casino…but it’s cost me a shit ton of money…
example
“meh, let’s go to the casino”
Money taken out of ATM: $300
Money won: $700
new total: $1000
this immediately leads to some random impulse buy like a TV, or a jacket, or a watch…that normally I wouldn’t have purchased.
End result: -$300
Or my personal favorite
“Let’s goto the casino”
ATM: $500
Money Won: $1200
new total: $1700
End result: $3000 of furniture purchased
:bloated:
Fucking casino
joe im goin this weekend … maybe sunday…