How about we came over here to get away from Britain’s rule.
On TV a couple weeks back they did a segment on “The passion of the Christ” , and at the end, they showed a poll. It was "how many Americans believed in some form of Religion. It was something like 90%. They asked what % were Christian. It was somewhere around 80%
What I want to know is where are 80% of the U.S. population when the other 20% of Americans are fighting off any form of Religion in “Politics”. We, Christians have taken for granted our RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, and are now being challenged on OUR beliefs.
And since the “Majority rules”…
Until 50% of Americans do not believe in Religion, I think we should continue on as in the past 50 years (since “One nation under God” was drafted into the Pledge of allegiance.) and the past 200 or so years since we founded our country.
And if kids want to say ALLAH, or BUDDAH in place of God, so be it. And you’re right… if they are athiest and want to stand there and refuse to say it, thats fine too. But for those who do beleive, (80% of us), we should be allowed!
That is my point, thanks for reading…
Have a good and GODLY (oops… I did it again) day!
then here…
“I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under Satan, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
is this still acceptable for someone to say in a classroom? it falls within your parameters. yet saying it out loud would surely offend many. i don’t understand why god has any place in a federal oath. you say that a majority of Americans are Christian. Well, I’m sure a majority of Americans are white. Is the following acceptable?
“I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one white Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
adding something to the pledge that applies to a majority but not the whole is superfluous. an oath of loyalty to one’s nation has nothing to do with religion.
Originally posted by Black_WS6
Most of the founding father’s were religious individuals. They did not want a “state imposed” religion. I don’t think that they meant that religion had to be banned from anything remotely related to government like it is today.This was taken from the following site. Religion and the Federal Government, Part 1 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)
The first two Presidents of the United States were patrons of religion–George Washington was an Episcopal vestryman, and John Adams described himself as “a church going animal.” Both offered strong rhetorical support for religion. In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, “a necessary spring of popular government,” while Adams claimed that statesmen “may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.”
Notice that every time the word religion is used, that morality is right next to it. They are talking about religion instilling morality inro society… a sense of right and wrong. They wanted the set of morals that their religion enforced. Dont kill, dont steal, dont covet thy neighbors wife, do unto others… blah blah blah… all vital necessities in a smooth running society. Shit would be much more interesting if everyone just robbed, killed, and raped the women… not gonna work. They did not, however want a state sponsored religion. The pledge in its current form promotes religion. If you’re an impressionable little kid and you have to stand up and pledge your belief in god, with the only other choice being that you stand silent. How would you feel about this if the plede read: “one nation, under whites” or “one nation, under Jews”. You think that little black kids should have to stand up and pledge their honor to whites? Or stand silent? Fuck no man. Its a not so subliminal way to make little kids buy into a certain set of ideals… Perfect example: My parents… used to go to church every sunday… never was god mentioned at any other time in the house, but damn it our butts were in church every sunday. I ask my dad why since religion has no place in our lives outside of church, why we continued to go? His reply: Uhh, because youre supposed to go to church on sunday… An otherwise religionless man who felt guilty for not going to church. Its because they beat this shit into our heads from the day we pop out of the womb. If thats the way you want to raise your kid, thats certainly within you’re right to do so, but for those that choose not to raise their kids like that, they should not have it forced upon them. Its not a public school’s place to promote religion, thats a decision for the parents to make.
The desire to convert others to their religion runs deep in Christianity, i think this is one that an extremely christian congress managed to slip under the radar.
Originally posted by WhiteHotCL
What I want to know is where are 80% of the U.S. population when the other 20% of Americans are fighting off any form of Religion in “Politics”. We, Christians have taken for granted our RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, and are now being challenged on OUR beliefs.And since the “Majority rules”…
Until 50% of Americans do not believe in Religion, I think we should continue on as in the past 50 years (since “One nation under God” was drafted into the Pledge of allegiance.) and the past 200 or so years since we founded our country.And if kids want to say ALLAH, or BUDDAH in place of God, so be it. And you’re right… if they are athiest and want to stand there and refuse to say it, thats fine too. But for those who do beleive, (80% of us), we should be allowed!
how the heck do you figure that you are being challenged on your beliefs… nobody’s lobbying to have it changed to “one nation, under satan”… The US government has no place endorsing any religion. I have no problem with christians practicing their religion, but i do mind it when they start to force it on people through the government.
if you are young, and not a liberal you have no heart
if you are grown, and not a conservative you have no brain.
-Winston Churchhill
wake up guys you’re all over 18 and grown. Stop acting like childish liberal babies, looking for handouts all day long
Originally posted by Blue
if you are young, and not a liberal you have no heart
if you are grown, and not a conservative you have no brain.
-Winston Churchhill
wake up guys you’re all over 18 and grown. Stop acting like childish liberal babies, looking for handouts all day long
looking for handouts? What the hell are you talking about?
Oh, and i certainly hope you dont mean Republican when you say conservative… they are far from it.
The only true conservative political party is the Libertarians. Its also the only political party thats worth 2 shits. Thats why I’m a registered Libertarian… 
Originally posted by Darkstar
looking for handouts? What the hell are you talking about?Oh, and i certainly hope you dont mean Republican when you say conservative… they are far from it.
The only true conservative political party is the Libertarians. Its also the only political party thats worth 2 shits. Thats why I’m a registered Libertarian…
I dont agree with every view of the Republican party. I certainly do not agree with any Democratic views as well.
Theres a lot of moderate Republicans. But I’m more so a Conservative Republican
Originally posted by Blue
Conservative Republican
The most conservative republican is still liberal as shit.
If you really want your vote to count, vote libertarian. This country needs a 3rd choice, people are sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by Darkstar
The most conservative republican is still liberal as shit
hardly 
Originally posted by Blue
hardly
do you know anything about the Libertarian party? What there stance on issues is? If you’re as conservative as you say you are, it might be of interest to you.
Originally posted by Darkstar
do you know anything about the Libertarian party? What there stance on issues is? If you’re as conservative as you say you are, it might be of interest to you.
I know a lot about them. And I agree with a lot of things they say and do. But I dont see them coming into any kind of power any time soon.
Originally posted by Blue
I know a lot about them. And I agree with a lot of things they say and do. But I dont see them coming into any kind of power any time soon.
they would if people stopped voting to keep a person out of office, and started voting their conscience…
The party is actually growing exponentially. People are finally starting to realize that this country needs LESS government and it needs to stay the fuck out of people’s lives. The fouinding fathers of this country tried to do everything in their power to keep the federal government from swelling to the size that it is right now…
Originally posted by Darkstar
The only true conservative political party is the Libertarians. Its also the only political party thats worth 2 shits. Thats why I’m a registered Libertarian…
i take it you don’t know any other libertarians, they’re some of the most double talking people i’ve ever met… every one i’ve known was kinda republican but didn’t have any religous beliefs so they went searching for their true party, too bad they didn’t join heavens gate first (ps. i lived with 2 who worked for the kato institute so i’ve heard any and all arguements on why it’s the next great political movement.)
truth is, repub, dem, left, rite, religion, antifaith, whatever… anyone who listens and recites verbatum and votes party line is a tron.
Originally posted by rookee
i take it you don’t know any other libertarians, they’re some of the most double talking people i’ve ever met… every one i’ve known was kinda republican but didn’t have any religous beliefs so they went searching for their true party, too bad they didn’t join heavens gate first (ps. i lived with 2 who worked for the kato institute so i’ve heard any and all arguements on why it’s the next great political movement.)truth is, repub, dem, left, rite, religion, antifaith, whatever… anyone who listens and recites verbatum and votes party line is a tron.
I dont know too many other Libertarians. To be honest I think ive only ever met one other Libertarian, and he’s a Pittspeed sponsor. 
agreed 100% on latter part though. People need to think for themselves. Something most mainstream politicans certainly dont believein… :hs:
Originally posted by Darkstar
I dont know too many other Libertarians. To be honest I think ive only ever met one other Libertarian, and he’s a Pittspeed sponsor.
I’m not a registered Libertarian, but I generally vote that way.
Government should take care of roads, schools, military, and other essentials… it has no place in governing over inconsequential bullshit.
Originally posted by Darkstar
:If you really want your vote to count, vote libertarian.
registered independent… generally vote liber.
Originally posted by ShalerPunk
I’m not a registered Libertarian, but I generally vote that way.Government should take care of roads, schools, military, and other essentials… it has no place in governing over inconsequential bullshit.
Originally posted by turbovw18
registered independent… generally vote liber.
Originally posted by Darkstar
do you know anything about the Libertarian party? What there stance on issues is? If you’re as conservative as you say you are, it might be of interest to you.
Mike run down a list of what Libertarians generally stand for on the following issues.
Abortion
Defense
Taxation
Gay-marriage
Gun control
Immigration
Trade
Affirmative action
Originally posted by Black_WS6
Mike run down a list of what Libertarians generally stand for on the following issues.Abortion
Defense
Taxation
Gay-marriage
Gun control
Immigration
Trade
Affirmative action
Abortion:
Recognizing that abortion is a very sensitive issue and that people, including libertarians, can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe the government should be kept out of the question.
We condemn state-funded and state-mandated abortions. It is particularly harsh to force someone who believes that abortion is murder to pay for another’s abortion.
It is the right and obligation of the pregnant woman, not the state, to decide the desirability or appropriateness of prenatal testing, Caesarean births, fetal surgery, voluntary surrogacy arrangements, and/or home births.
Defense:
Military Policy
Any U.S. military policy should have the objective of providing security for the lives, liberty and property of the American people in the U.S. against the risk of attack by a foreign power. This objective should be achieved as inexpensively as possible and without undermining the liberties it is designed to protect.
The potential use of nuclear weapons is the greatest threat to all the peoples of the world, not only Americans. Thus, the objective should be to reduce the risk that a nuclear war might begin and its scope if it does.
We call on the U.S. government to continue negotiations toward multi-lateral reduction of nuclear armaments, to the end that all such weapons will ultimately be eliminated, under such conditions of verification as to ensure multi-lateral security. During arms reduction negotiations, and to enhance their progress, the U.S. should begin the retirement of some of its nuclear weapons as proof of its commitment. Because the U.S. has many more thousands of nuclear weapons than are currently required, beginning the process of arms reduction would not jeopardize American security. U.S. weapons of indiscriminate mass destruction should be replaced with smaller weapons aimed solely at military targets and not designed or targeted to kill millions of civilians.
We call on the U.S. government to remove its nuclear weapons from Europe. If European countries want nuclear weapons on their soil, they should take full responsibility for them and pay the cost.
We call for the replacement of nuclear war fighting policies with a policy of developing cost-effective defensive systems. Accordingly, we oppose any future agreement which would prevent defensive systems on U.S. territory or in Earth orbit.
We call for the withdrawal of all American military personnel stationed abroad, including the countries of NATO Europe, Japan, the Philippines, Central America and South Korea. There is no current or foreseeable risk of any conventional military attack on the American people, particularly from long distances. We call for the withdrawal of the U.S. from commitments to engage in war on behalf of other governments and for abandonment of doctrines supporting military intervention such as the Monroe Doctrine.
Taxation
Taxation
Since we believe that all persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor, we oppose all government activity that consists of the forcible collection of money or goods from individuals in violation of their individual rights. Specifically, we:
recognize the right of any individual to challenge the payment of taxes on moral, religious, legal, or constitutional grounds;
oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes;
support the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment, and oppose any increase in existing tax rates and the imposition of any new taxes;
support the eventual repeal of all taxation; and
support a declaration of unconditional amnesty for all those individuals who have been convicted of, or who now stand accused of, tax resistance.
As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.
We oppose as involuntary servitude any legal requirements forcing employers or business owners to serve as tax collectors for federal, state, or local tax agencies.
We oppose any and all increases in the rate of taxation or categories of taxpayers, including the elimination of deductions, exemptions, or credits in the spurious name of “fairness,” “simplicity,” or alleged “neutrality to the free market.” No tax can ever be fair, simple, or neutral to the free market.
In the current fiscal crisis of states and municipalities, default is preferable to raising taxes or perpetual refinancing of growing public debt.
Gay Marriage:
We believe that adults have the right to private choice in consensual sexual activity.
We oppose any government attempt to dictate, prohibit, control, or encourage any private lifestyle, living arrangement or contractual relationship.
We support repeal of existing laws and policies which are intended to condemn, affirm, encourage, or deny sexual lifestyles or any set of attitudes about such lifestyles.
Gun Control
The Bill of Rights recognizes that an armed citizenry is essential to a free society. We affirm the right to keep and bear arms and oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, regulating, or requiring the ownership, manufacture, transfer, or sale of firearms or ammunition. We oppose all laws requiring registration of firearms or ammunition. We also oppose any government efforts to ban or restrict the use of tear gas, “mace,” or other self-protection devices. We further oppose all attempts to ban weapons or ammunition on the grounds that they are risky or unsafe.
We support repeal of all gun control laws and we demand the immediate abolition of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
We favor the repeal of laws banning the concealment of weapons or prohibiting pocket weapons. We also oppose the banning of inexpensive handguns (“Saturday night specials”), and semi-automatic or so-called assault weapons and their magazines or feeding devices.
Immigration
We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age, or sexual preference.
We therefore call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
Trade
Like subsidies, tariffs and quotas serve only to give special treatment to favored special interests and to diminish the welfare of consumers and other individuals, as do point-of-origin or content regulation. These measures also reduce the scope of contracts and understanding among different peoples. We therefore support abolition of all trade barriers and all government-sponsored export-promotion programs, as well as the U.S. International Trade Commission and the U.S. Court of International Trade. We affirm this as a unilateral policy, independent of the trade policies of other nations. Concurrent with the adoption of this policy shall be the complete and unilateral withdrawal from all international trade agreements including the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
[size=4] All this information was taken from the national party’s homepage. www.lp.org
this link outlines most of the party’s stances.
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform/platform_all.html#taxation