You failed.
horsepower is not up to interpretation.
ft/lbs is not up to interpretation.
If you want to make new units called mustangs and dynapacks, and one mustang = 1.3 dynapacks that’s fine.
My car makes 120 mustangs at the wheels OR 156 dynapacks at the wheels.
That you can do.
What you can’t do is call it horsepower or torque.
1 Horsepower = 32,572 (Ft * lbf / s)
So if a foot is a foot
And a pound is a pound
And a second is a second
Then a horsepower is a horsepower.
I win.
It’s SUPPOSED to be universal. But one or both dyno companies are WRONG.
bottom line.
at the very least, one is wrong.
Yeah but both dynos say ft/lbs of torque, one doesn’t read froghairs/donkeycocks, while the other one reads cockgobblers/pinkturkeys, all while there is a standard conversion. They both read the same unit of measurement. Torque is a quantifiable measurement. While some variation will occur there is only one correct answer. Obviously each dyno system uses a different way to calculate torque, maybe they are all wrong, but they aren’t all right.
However, this takes nothing away from emery’s ability to tune cars. This is just a tool for safely tuning a car and attempting to measure the cars torque. He picked the dyno he liked best. It reads lower, get over it. It really doesn’t mean shit, besides tell people you dyno’d 400whp on a mustang and then beat cars that dynoed 500whp on a dynajet.
smartest statement i have heard so far :tup:
Word up. This is why you cannot get caught up in a number. The number will be different interpretation of ft lbs based on how the dyno reads/loads. This is why a different brand dyno is a different measurement. They all say hp but you have to realize one is a mustang hp one is a dynojet hp one is a dynapack hp. It might as well be fahrenheit celcius and kelvin. The reading is different. The way the car drives is the same. There is no right or wrong.
No but you are on the right path. Think temperature. How is it possible that its fucking hot out can be assigned different numbers Celsius F and Kelvin? Are all 3 right? Are all 3 wrong? They are units of measurement nothing more. Just like dynos. Horsepower is the same. The tool you are using to measure are not. The units ARE dynapacks or Mustangs. The car DOES make 156 Dynapacks OR 120 Mustangs. The et is the same. The car pulls just as hard. The unit of measurement is different.
I rest my case.
Fahrenheit/Celsius are units of measurement for Temperature
Inches/Centimeters are units of measurement for distance
Horsepower/TQ are units of measurement for Power
there is no different type of inch, there is no different type of farenheit, and there is no different type horsepower. That is the reason why it is a standard. It is so that you can objectively compare the power of one car to the power of another car. That is why auto manufacturers use it so prevalently.
HP and Torque are the units.
DYNOS are the measurement tools.
Since all types of dynos spit out results in the same units, they should theoretically all be the same if they are all correct.
It’s like measuring the same desk, once with a mustang ruler, and once with a dynojet ruler. The mustang ruler says this desk is 47" long and the dynojet ruler says this desk is 51" long. (The same units of measurement are output by these rulers) The desk did not change length based on which ruler you used, so at least one ruler has to be wrong.
edit: twom got it in first
yes, what geoff said is exactly right that the dyno is a TOOL.
also, as newman said before. A ruler measure inches and feet the same way a dyno measures horespower and torque. If we both measure the same exact line with different rulers, and the numbers are different, then one or both of the rulers is WRONG.
If it is open to interpretation, then lets just say that I just built myself a fresh new ruler to measure inches. I used the ruler to measure my dick. HOLY COW, I HAVE A 15 INCH COCK!!
Kelvin = temperature
Fahrenheit = temperature
Celsius = temperature
All 3 methods are used to calculate the same thing. All show a different #. Why?
Dynapack = hp
Dynojet = hp
Mustang = hp
All 3 methods are used to calculate the same thing. All show a different #. Why?
Kelvin : temperature
HP : Power
you didn’t do well on your SATs did you?
This is still raging on…
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oh my god.
Degrees Celsisus is a unit of measurement. (of temperature)
Degrees Farenheit is a unit of mearsurement. (of temperature)
Degrees Kelvin is a unit of measurement. (of temperature)
ft/lbs is a unit of measurement. (of torque)
hp is a unit of measurement. (of power)
1 degree C = 1 degree C
1 degree F = 1 degree F
1 degree K = 1 degree K
1 ft/lb = 1 ft/lb
1 hp = 1 hp
Say mustang and dynojet were thermometers. They are both measuring the same thing: temperature. One’s not giving you degrees Celsius the the other degress Kelvin. They’re both giving you the same unit of measurement.
I understand people make up for the differences in dynos by saying what kind of dyno the results came from. But that’s like saying:
“Hey, what’s the temperature outside right now in degrees farenheit?”
“It’s 81 degrees farenheit, but that was measured on a mustang thermometer, so it’s actually like 95 degrees farenheit”
When, in reality, there is a single definite temperature in degrees farenheit. Something’s not right.
Holy balls I think my brain just exploded.
They are different measures of the same thing based on a different system of measuring and calculating but at the end of the day they can be converted to = themselves in another format x degrees F = x degrees C
So you would need to say that Dynapack = cow power, Mustang = horse power and DynoJet = giraffe power.
Then x giraffe power would = x horse power.
Did the kid who ran both dynos have corrected #'s? I doubt it would account for a 100 hp variance anyway.
X monkey power … and the giraffe has bigger legs less rpms but can cover more … im sure he gets better MPG
the dyno debate will never end… ugh!
Smith you have to be joking.
You have to be.
HORSEPOWER IS A UNIT. It is defined.
0 Degrees Celcius = 32 Degrees Fahrenheit = 273.15 Degrees Kelvin.
They are different units.
However:
100 HP /= 150 HP /= 300 HP
How can someone be so stupid.
We can convert One horsepower to different units.
Power = work/time = (force * distance) / time
Horsepower is officially defined by a million textbooks as:
1 Horsepower = 32,572 (feet * pounds / seconds)
these things are equal.
are any of these things subject to interpretation?
distance in feet?
weight in pounds?
time in seconds?
Did we check the stretchable rubber tie-down straps, what is their tolerance?
I hear the amount of ambient lighting can affect the numbers, light has weight doesn’t it? Wouldn’t the color of the car affect the numbers as well?