I think he’s asking where you got your 1.7 trillion dollar tax break number from. Anyone with a hint of economic understanding can grasp that government spending is a method of stimulating an economy. Y=C+I+G+NX. Pretty simple.
Oh, and he’s intentionally being vague. :picard: :lol:
OH MY BAD it was $1.3 TRILLION
Agreeing to dissagree is the best sign of a civilized society.
:word: The oldest country in the world insists that a devil’s advocate argue against a candidate’s selection before they voters choose their next leader.
Disagreements tend to find higher alternatives.
A little perspective…
If you spent one million dollars everyday since the birth of The Lord our Savior you would not have spent as much as this latest bailout is spending.
(Did you like the “The Lord our Savior” part? :D)
Very cool, hopefully not a repost…
Cars on Main Street – 100 to 500 blocks Buffalo NY 4000 $100,000,000 Streets/Roads -132
Southdown’s Connector-Phase I Buffalo NY 1560 $52,000,000 Streets/Roads -7
Tifft Street connector Buffalo NY 1050 $35,000,000 Streets/Roads -7
Rt 5; Rt 198 to Hertel Ave. - (Main St.) improvements Buffalo NY 675 $22,619,000 Streets/Roads 6
Bailey Avenue Bridge Replacement Buffalo NY 500 $16,000,000 Streets/Roads -3
Cars on Main Street, 600 block Buffalo NY 300 $10,000,000 Streets/Roads -15
Kenmore Ave.; Starin Ave - Rt 5 (Main Street) improvements Buffalo NY 300 $10,000,000 Streets/Roads -1
Babcock St./Norfolk Southern Bridge replacement Buffalo NY 212 $8,000,000 Streets/Roads 5
BNMC phase 3; Allen Street extension Buffalo NY 225 $7,504,000 Streets/Roads 2
City-wide street improvements: mill, overlay, and sidewalks Buffalo NY 180 $6,000,000 Streets/Roads 2
Buffalo Lakeside Commerce Park - Phase 4 Rd. Buffalo NY 150 $5,000,000 Streets/Roads 0
Various signal replacement; Ferry St. & Delavan Ave. Buffalo NY 150 $5,000,000 Streets/Roads -8
BNMC Phase II streetscape improvements Buffalo NY 120 $4,010,000 Streets/Roads -9
Seneca/Hopkins/ McKinley/S. Park Ave. improvements Buffalo NY 120 $4,000,000 Streets/Roads 2
Fillmore Ave. resurfacing and streetscape Buffalo NY 120 $4,000,000 Streets/Roads 0
W Ferry St/Black Rock Canal (bridge rehab) Buffalo NY 120 $3,999,000 Streets/Roads 2
Erie Canal Harbor streets - Phase II Buffalo NY 105 $3,598,000 Streets/Roads 4
South Park improvements, streetscape & paving Bailey Ave. to city line Buffalo NY 90 $3,000,000 Streets/Roads -1
BNMC, Phase - I Ellicott St. Streetscape improvement Buffalo NY 72 $2,400,000 Streets/Roads -10
Porter Ave. streetscape – Phase II Buffalo NY 72 $2,400,000 Streets/Roads -3
Main Street 700 block improvements Buffalo NY 64 $2,167,000 Streets/Roads -1
Michigan Ave. corridor improvements Buffalo NY 60 $2,001,000 Streets/Roads 5
Fargo St. repair and streetscape Buffalo NY 60 $2,001,000 Streets/Roads -4
Tifft Street bridge and streetscape improvements Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Streets/Roads 4
Niagara St. gateway project Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Streets/Roads -2
Humboldt park streetscape Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Streets/Roads -2
City wide sidewalk replacement Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Streets/Roads 6
Pearl Street conversion to two way traffic Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Streets/Roads -2
Larkin District streetscape and mill Buffalo NY 45 $1,500,000 Streets/Roads 7
Buffalo River greenway, multi-purpose trail Buffalo NY 45 $1,500,000 Streets/Roads -16
Exchange Street improvements Buffalo NY 45 $1,494,000 Streets/Roads -1
Hopkins Street bridge replacement Buffalo NY 30 $1,000,000 Streets/Roads 2
Erie Canal horbor streets - Phase III Buffalo NY 28 $933,000 Streets/Roads 8
Porter Ave. streetscape – Phase I Buffalo NY 28 $850,000 Streets/Roads -3
North Buffalo; Grant St./Amherst St./Hertel Ave. improvements Buffalo NY 27 $820,000 Streets/Roads 2
Citywide emergency bridge repairs Buffalo NY 21 $750,000 Streets/Roads 45
Intersection realignment, Franklin/ Linwood/ North Pearl Buffalo NY 21 $750,000 Streets/Roads -2
Broadway corridor improvements Buffalo NY 21 $750,000 Streets/Roads 6
Hickory Woods infrastructure improvements Buffalo NY 19 $625,000 Streets/Roads 0
Middlesex Ave. reconstruction Buffalo NY 10 $230,496 Streets/Roads -23
Renovations at Buffalo Sewer Authority Buffalo NY 1600 $40,000,000 Water 5
Construction of a floatables control facility Buffalo NY 400 $15,000,000 Water -6
Modifications to sewer authority incinerator Buffalo NY 280 $7,500,000 Water 2
New High Service Pumps – installation of new high service pumps for operational performance and energy savings Buffalo NY 180 $7,000,000 Water 5
New System Storage Tank – Installation of a 5 million gallon storage tank to provide additional system redundancy and operational flexibility Buffalo NY 280 $7,000,000 Water 5
Various Locations 4 – replacement of existing water mains at additional various locations in northern half of City to maintain adequate water supply for domestic use and fire protection Buffalo NY 150 $5,000,000 Water 7
Various Locations 5 – replacement of existing water mains at additional various locations in southern half of City to maintain adequate water supply for domestic use and fire protection Buffalo NY 160 $5,000,000 Water 7
Storage and Pump Stations – Rehabilitation of existing storage tanks and pump stations Buffalo NY 150 $5,000,000 Water 4
Replacement of existing water mains at various locations in southern half of City to maintain adequate water supply for domestic use and fire protection Buffalo NY 120 $4,000,000 Water 5
Clinton Street, Lower Terrace to Jefferson Avenue – rehabilitation of 36-inch diameter principal water transmission main in City’s downtown business district to maintain water supply for domestic use and fire protection Buffalo NY 120 $4,000,000 Water 4
Replacement of existing water mains at various locations in northern half of City to maintain adequate water supply for domestic use and fire protection Buffalo NY 120 $4,000,000 Water 8
Filter Plant Solids Handling Facility – installation of equipment and appurtenances to allow solids thickening on site to improve operation Buffalo NY 120 $4,000,000 Water 3
New Low Service Pumps – rehabilitation of existing low service pumps including a new pump for operational performance and energy savings Buffalo NY 105 $3,500,000 Water 4
Seneca Street: Replacement of existing water mains at various locations in southeast quadrant of City with increase in pipe size to improve water supply Buffalo NY 100 $3,000,000 Water 5
Dechlorination / Sewer for Thickener Decant– installation of a new underground conduit and dechlorination facilities to allow decant from the thickener process to be discharge and not re-cycled in the treatment process Buffalo NY 75 $2,500,000 Water 8
Michigan Avenue, Virginia Street to Best Street – rehabilitation of 36-inch diameter principal water transmission main in City’s hospital corridor to maintain water supply for domestic use and fire protection Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Water 6
Disinfection System Rehabilitation – rehabilitation and process enhancement of existing disinfection equipment Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Water 5
Various Locations 3 – rehabilitation or replacement of existing “low flow” water mains at various locations throughout City to provide minimum field measured hydrant flow of 500 gallons per minute Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 Water -1
Sewer storm water separation system Buffalo NY 45 $1,500,000 Water 16
GIS Data Management – Conversion of all our paper records into GIS for operation efficiency Buffalo NY 30 $1,000,000 Water 5
Buffalo Park System: Rehab and repair of park infrastructure: Martin Luther King Jr. Park, LaSalle Park, Riverside Park, Shoshone Park, Roosevelt Park, Cazenovia park, Delaware Park, Schiller Park, Emerson Park, Sole Park and Willert Park Buffalo NY 1900 $49,203,000 CDBG -1
BNMC Multi-Modal Transportation Structure Buffalo NY 700 $25,000,000 CDBG -10
59 Memorial environmental clean up Buffalo NY 400 $15,000,000 CDBG 5
1260 South Park environmental clean up Buffalo NY 400 $15,000,000 CDBG 2
City Hall: Replacement of defective central air conditioning units, Northern side windows replacement with double insulated units, new energy efficient accent lighting to exterior of building, replacement of defective bathroom fixtures with water savers, Buffalo NY 225 $7,500,000 CDBG -2
90 Hopkins environmental clean up Buffalo NY 225 $7,500,000 CDBG -2
Buffalo historic building repair and redevelopment Buffalo NY 212 $7,100,000 CDBG 5
Buffalo Lakeside Commerce park environmental clean up Buffalo NY 210 $7,000,000 CDBG 5
Darwin-Martin house project Buffalo NY 210 $7,000,000 CDBG -21
Public Works Buildings: Updated energy efficient electrical and lighting, windows, to replace single pane glass with double insulated newer standard upgrades. Boilers that are non efficient would be important energy savers. Bathrooms fixture replacement Buffalo NY 205 $6,825,000 CDBG 0
Scajaquada Creek dredging and Delaware park improvements Buffalo NY 200 $6,600,000 CDBG 9
Village farms environmental clean up Buffalo NY 150 $5,000,000 CDBG 0
Various firehouses: Replacement of non energy efficient windows, insulated garage doors, new heating systems for units over 20 year of age. There are over 25 firehouses that this would address Buffalo NY 115 $3,300,000 CDBG 2
Erie Basin Marina improvements: docks and infrastructure Buffalo NY 90 $3,000,000 CDBG -4
Hickory Woods environmental clean up Buffalo NY 75 $2,500,000 CDBG -1
Community Centers: Approximately 10 centers need double insulated windows units, energy efficient heating systems, replacement of defective bathroom fixtures with water savers, structural repairs and electrical upgrades Buffalo NY 100 $2,117,930 CDBG 0
Broadway Market roof reconstruction and general building improvements Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 CDBG 4
Beverly A. Gray Incubator project Buffalo NY 60 $2,000,000 CDBG -9
Police Garage: Replacement of 40 year old boiler heating system, installation of new electrical system, present system is 40 years old. Replace all existing light fixtures over 20 years old. New double pane windows in mechanic area and other locations n Buffalo NY 58 $1,941,000 CDBG 1
African Cultural Center bldg. construction Buffalo NY 30 $1,000,000 CDBG -214
Fire Headquarters: Replacement of defective non efficient windows, replacement of window air conditioners with central units Buffalo NY 30 $875,000 CDBG 6
City wide Buffalo Public library repairs including: Crane Branch, Dudley Branch, East Clinton Branch, East Delavan Branch Buffalo NY 20 $767,000 CDBG 14
Buffalo & Erie County Historical Society electrical system upgrade Buffalo NY 20 $642,000 CDBG -6
Critical infrastructure/ key resource protection recommended by Buffalo UASI, NIPP, and Dept. of Homeland Security Buffalo NY 15 $321,000 CDBG -3
Center for Transportation Excellence Buffalo NY 10 $250,000 CDBG -9
664 Washington Street roof repair Buffalo NY 12 $250,000 CDBG 0
District heat distribution system replacement Buffalo NY 15 $214,000 CDBG -2
Moselle Clinic repairs and improvements Buffalo NY 10 $214,000 CDBG -2
Sycamore Village clean up, southeast corner Buffalo NY 10 $200,000 CDBG -3
Riverbend development plan Buffalo NY 5 $100,000 CDBG -5
Johnny B. Wiley Sports Complex roof & structural repairs Buffalo NY 5 $53,500 CDBG 3
Buffalo Green R&D incubator for renewable energy and site infrastructure upgrades: rail, roads and Buffalo River improvements Buffalo NY 500 $16,000,000 Energy 13
Buffalo geothermal Buffalo NY 330 $11,000,000 Energy 4
City wide Green Infrastructure: Greening on vacant lots and ground water retention, storm water collection, treatment and infiltration Buffalo NY 50 $1,500,000 Energy 7
Perc to wet clean technology & training center Buffalo NY 15 $300,000 Energy -10
Solar Panel Energy Savings job training & placement center Buffalo NY 10 $285,000 Energy 5
Housing repair and emergency demolition Buffalo NY 1800 $45,000,000 Housing 1
Buffalo Police & Fire radio system Buffalo NY 0 $2,140,000 Public Safety 10
Buffalo Fire Dept.: Fire apparatus Buffalo NY 0 $1,952,160 Public Safety 13
Buffalo Fire Dept.: Mobile data system Buffalo NY 0 $798,610 Public Safety 9
Buffalo Police: Gunshot detection locator enhancement Buffalo NY 0 $500,000 Public Safety -21
Camera surveillance monitoring room expansion Buffalo NY 0 $300,000 Public Safety -19
City street vehicles replacement – energy efficient vehicles Buffalo NY 0 $1,000,000 Transit -7
These are all potential projects that could be done around here as a result of this bill. Good link :tup:
I like the list…some projects would impact my career.
I just dont trust a list that calls something the Erie Canal “Horbor” Project.
Edit. I still wont say this is a good idea until all of these projects are complete.
http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/view/2542
EVERYONE NEEDS TO OUT VOTE THE RETARDS WHO VOTED NO
Voted. The NO’s sound like a whole bunch of right wing bean counters. “When will we be recouping our 100 million dollar investment” :bloated:
Why would opening up a couple of blocks on main be a good use of $100 million?
Then you’d actually be able to have retail on Main St. again! You know that and the 4000 jobs it creates
It needs to be done. Main place has been dying ever since they went subway only. It will create 4000 jobs. It’s not that often that a roads project has the ability to stimulate a good amount of economic growth. Not to mention, my building happens to be right over this ghost town and it would be nice to have some stuff to walk to during the day.
All of your assumptions are made based on the idea that this will create long sustaining jobs, and not have us right back here in a year asking for rmore money. We are spending the next generations money on an idea, that probably won’t do a dam thing. Its great to know that you will jerk the rug out from people that can’t vote, so you can have it easy.
Its BS like this, that explains why none of us here will ever get one cent out of social security. Because the people that controlled the money when you were a kid, though it was cool to take the SS money and use it like the general fund. So now your money is spent, and you are going to pay for the current baby boomers to get their fat check, while you get nonthing. Who do you think made the decisions to raid the SS funds?
We have to make tough decisions sometimes. The easy road usually isn’t the correct road. But then again, I don’t think many here have enough spine to make hard decisions to ensure the the next generation isn’t fucked.
You mean, it’s because Bush got elected over Gore 5-4 and decided to use the surplus on tax cuts for the rich, whereas Gore would have put it in the lockbox that ensured Social Security for our generation.
Remember how everyone made fun of the lock box? FUUUUUUUUU
Oh, right. I was only thinking about the theater district because I’ve never gone further down because there’s nothing there to
Oh.
In theory at least, an economic stimulus plants a fruit tree, not buys a box of apples.
I hate to say it but the next generation was fucked years before this debacle. Why are you so sure that this plan will completely fail? There are plenty of projects that will give people jobs. People with jobs will pay for new homes, new cars, they will go out to dinner at a restaurant, and go to the movies. All of that stimulates the economy.
And these projects will take years to finish and does not mean that their won’t be other jobs created as a result of the economy growing.
Hey if it doesn’t work you can say “I told you so” but you still don’t have a plan to save jobs so right now you are more of an obstructionist then anything what it comes to this issue.
And no this is not just another recession for which we can ride out, this is going to lead to a depression if nothing changes.
No if it doesn’t work, you can explain to your kids how daddy supported the people that gave daddy everything by taking it from you.
Just because there isn’t a “better idea” doesn’t explain how we spent a total (and I fault bush too) over 2 trillion dollars. That is not chump change, that is fucking HUGE ammounts of money, we never had to begin with.
Whatever, we all will just run around in circles. Some day everone will see that its not the white, middle class Obama and his buddys are worried about, and at that point it will be too fuckin late. I told you so, doesn’t do me shit, I am not here for a laugh, I care what the end result of all of this is.
To be clear, I fault ANY person in congress that signs on to these total BS bills, in this administration, and the last.